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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Hey look, yet another straw man. You are on a roll today.
    When is he not?

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I found several answers to that, but they are all from bigoted sources, or say things that might imply I think Obama is a Muslim, sorry Tucker I cannot post those anymore.
    If those are the only sources, then that would mean that the only information on it comes from people who are not muslim who are telling us what muslims believe. Essentially, those sources are just guessing and protraying those guesses as fact.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Here, I'll use an ULTRA RIGHT WING SOURCE!

    But it is a mistake to conflate his African identity with his Muslim heritage. Senator Obama is half African by birth and Africans can understandably identify with him. In Islam, however, there is no such thing as a half-Muslim. Like all monotheistic religions, Islam is an exclusive faith.

    As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

    Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

    His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

    With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings. (Some may point to cases in which lesser punishments were ordered — as with some Egyptian intellectuals who have been punished for writings that were construed as apostasy — but those were really instances of supposed heresy, not explicitly declared apostasy as in Senator Obama’s case.)
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Here, I'll use an ULTRA RIGHT WING SOURCE!



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    and you very well may have, given it was a published opinion piece
    let's look at the author's history:
    ... In May 2008 the New York Times published an opinion piece by Luttwak in which he argued that then-presidential candidate Barack Obama "was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood" and would be considered an "apostate" by the world's Muslims if he were to become president (see Apostasy in Islam).[3] Luttwak was widely criticized for misrepresenting Islamic law, including by the public editor of the Times, Clark Hoyt.[4][5]
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    [4] # ^ Ali Eteraz: Obama Islam Smear Changes Stripes
    [5] # ^ Hoyt, Clark (June 1, 2008). "Entitled to Their Opinions, Yes. But Their Facts?". The New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01pubed.html. Retrieved May 1, 2010.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and you very well may have, given it was a published opinion piece
    let's look at the author's history:

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    [4] # ^ Ali Eteraz: Obama Islam Smear Changes Stripes
    [5] # ^ Hoyt, Clark (June 1, 2008). "Entitled to Their Opinions, Yes. But Their Facts?". The New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01pubed.html. Retrieved May 1, 2010.
    I was showing this opinion's been around a while.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Here, I'll use an ULTRA RIGHT WING SOURCE!



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    I believe a Muslim man is allowed to marry a non Muslim woman, but not visa versa of course. Muslims believe all children are born Muslim unless they later convert to something else. Of course you wouldn't do that in a Muslim country, which is what they count on...All Muslims all the time. So since Obama supposedly converted to Chrisianity, he is not a Muslim, but a Christian...if we believe him. Of course he's never lied to us....

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    only 46% of DEMOCRATS, according to pew, believe barry when he tells THEM he's christian

    Growing Number of Americans Say Obama is a Muslim - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

    a time poll, i believe the same day, found pretty much the same

    THIS is a problem for our putz of a prez, as well as for members of the party he leads

    the fact that 14% FEWER americans and 9% LESS dems believe him today than they did when they first met him is ruefully revealing

    this is not so much a problem for the american people

    after all, the customer's always right

    democracy, y'know

    gotta love it

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by goldengirl View Post
    I believe a Muslim man is allowed to marry a non Muslim woman, but not visa versa of course. Muslims believe all children are born Muslim unless they later convert to something else. Of course you wouldn't do that in a Muslim country, which is what they count on...All Muslims all the time. So since Obama supposedly converted to Chrisianity, he is not a Muslim, but a Christian...if we believe him. Of course he's never lied to us....
    Really?

    I didn't know Islam was like Judaism and was genetic. Learn new things everyday.

    And what does the marriage rules have to do with anything? In a patriarchal society/culture, a man's name is going to be more important.

    Common sense. Use it.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Really?

    I didn't know Islam was like Judaism and was genetic. Learn new things everyday.

    And what does the marriage rules have to do with anything? In a patriarchal society/culture, a man's name is going to be more important.

    Common sense. Use it.
    All children are born on Al-Fitra (a pure, natural state of submission to Islam). ...

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by goldengirl View Post
    All children are born on Al-Fitra (a pure, natural state of submission to Islam). ...
    Fitra indicates that human beings are inclined by their inner nature to submit to the Will of God; that it is inherent in human nature to aspire to the supreme good, to perfection, to both outward and inner purification. Fitra is thus a kind of paradigm of the Islamic outlook on life, a state of equilibrium and harmony between the Creator and the created.
    Nice try tho.
    I'll give you 2/10 on attempts of twisting facts.


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