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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes but we don't see him as one because he was never a Muslim to begin with
    Do you think that the Islamic extremists would see him as an apostate?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Do you think that the Islamic extremists would see him as an apostate?
    So is Obama under a death sentence? Probably not. As far as I know Obama has never explained when he left Islam and became a Christian. This is a crucial point, for according to Islamic law an apostate male is not to be put to death if he has not reached puberty (cf. 'Umdat al-Salik o8.2; Hidayah vol. II p. 246). Some, however, hold that he should be imprisoned until he is of age and then "invited" to accept Islam, but officially the death penalty for youthful apostates is ruled out.

    There are several ways this could go with Obama. Fjordman writes, "This is a golden opportunity for American anti-Jihadis to expose the intolerance inherent to Islamic teachings. And it is even better that it is a man from the black community and the political Left, where Muslims find many of their sympathizers."

    That is true -- it is an opportunity to call attention to this aspect of Islam that so many are so eager to cover up. However, I think that Obama's candidacy and religious history are more likely to work to the advantage of the Left and the jihadists, even if he flames out a la Howard Dean in 2004. For if the Islamic death penalty for apostasy is even allowed to come up in the mainstream media, smiling Islamic spokesmen will deny that Islam teaches this. They can even be honest and simply affirm that it doesn't apply to Obama at all, since he left Islam while still very young.
    Barack Obama and Islamic apostasy - Jihad Watch
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Do you think that the Islamic extremists would see him as an apostate?
    Yeah but they crazy anyway.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    A blog on Jihadwatch is the perfect place to find out what Muslims think....
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So we got the extremist anti-Islamic point of view on it.

    I'm more curious about the extremist Islamic point of view in this case, though.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A blog on Jihadwatch is the perfect place to find out what Muslims think....
    I only go there cause I hate Muslims man.

    I didn't like GOOGLE for the answer, this came up, and had a pertinent answer to the question. No no, I have every hate Islam site on the web sourced and index for my personal Crusade!


    The part you missed, here I'll post it WITHOUT the link, so you can read it and not feel dirty:

    This is a crucial point, for according to Islamic law an apostate male is not to be put to death if he has not reached puberty (cf. 'Umdat al-Salik o8.2; Hidayah vol. II p. 246). Some, however, hold that he should be imprisoned until he is of age and then "invited" to accept Islam, but officially the death penalty for youthful apostates is ruled out.
    Now are you going to provide perhaps some counter to this or just attack the source? Oh wait, no need, obviously it's a bigots source, from a bigot you need not answer.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So we got the extremist anti-Islamic point of view on it.

    I'm more curious about the extremist Islamic point of view in this case, though.
    Dude, Tucker, I just googled for an answer, and the part quoting the Koran was all I cared about... No kidding, that's all that was.

    would you prefer I have posted that section of the koran?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I only go there cause I hate Muslims man.

    I didn't like GOOGLE for the answer, this came up, and had a pertinent answer to the question. No no, I have every hate Islam site on the web sourced and index for my personal Crusade!


    The part you missed, here I'll post it WITHOUT the link, so you can read it and not feel dirty:



    Now are you going to provide perhaps some counter to this or just attack the source? Oh wait, no need, obviously it's a bigots source, from a bigot you need not answer.
    Hey look, yet another straw man. You are on a roll today.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Dude, Tucker, I just googled for an answer, and the part quoting the Koran was all I cared about... No kidding, that's all that was.

    would you prefer I have posted that section of the koran?
    That section doesn't really answer my question, though. It just rules out the death penalty as being the response to his apostacy (is that a word? if not, it should be).

    He'd still be viewed as an apostate as per the interpretations I've read.

    But I want to know what they actually think about Obama as far as his religious views go.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That section doesn't really answer my question, though. It just rules out the death penalty as being the response to his apostacy (is that a word? if not, it should be).

    He'd still be viewed as an apostate as per the interpretations I've read.

    But I want to know what they actually think about Obama as far as his religious views go.

    I found several answers to that, but they are all from bigoted sources, or say things that might imply I think Obama is a Muslim, sorry Tucker I cannot post those anymore.
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