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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    It's no fun if you don't name names, Vic.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I want to take a moment,
    SOMEONE here at DP, whom won't be named sent me a PM accusing me of starting this thread for dishonest reasons:

    *Paraphrased but the gist remains:


    I want to make something clear, I started this thread because the story came on the heels of that poll showing 1/5th of American's think Obama is a Muslim. I felt the Rev. had a point of view that was interesting and I even lightly chided the Rev. for his "Dance" around the issue. I am offended by this notion that my motives were somehow "dishonest".

    Follow the chain of events people. If I didn't post it, someone else would have. That poll started a discussion, this thread is part of that. Don't like the thread, THAT'S fine, but don't you dare send me little piss ant insult PM's calling me a bigot. If there is something going on in the news and a news article discusses the issue with someone of newsworthy level... expect someone to post it.
    It really was amazing watching the left go after you when you chastized the Reverend. That was pretty sad.

    The most amusing thing about this thread is the sheer denial of basic Islamic law, even by those who claim to be Muslims. Then the acceptance, then the denial again. Saying Obama was a Muslim according to Islam before he was a Christian is a fact. It does not mean he isn't a Christian now nor is it some conspiracy theory to attack him as a person.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's no fun if you don't name names, Vic.
    He has me on ignore now, cause he hasn't got time to deal with bigots..
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    He has me on ignore now, cause he hasn't got time to deal with bigots..
    Then he won't hear you tell us his name. ^.^

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I want to take a moment,
    SOMEONE here at DP, whom won't be named sent me a PM accusing me of starting this thread for dishonest reasons:

    *Paraphrased but the gist remains:


    I want to make something clear, I started this thread because the story came on the heels of that poll showing 1/5th of American's think Obama is a Muslim. I felt the Rev. had a point of view that was interesting and I even lightly chided the Rev. for his "Dance" around the issue. I am offended by this notion that my motives were somehow "dishonest".

    Follow the chain of events people. If I didn't post it, someone else would have. That poll started a discussion, this thread is part of that. Don't like the thread, THAT'S fine, but don't you dare send me little piss ant insult PM's calling me a bigot. If there is something going on in the news and a news article discusses the issue with someone of newsworthy level... expect someone to post it.
    So you hijack your own thread to talk about a PM someone on the forum? Talk about petty BS.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So you hijack your own thread to talk about a PM someone on the forum? Talk about petty BS.
    Yeah cause 45 pages in it's still on topic Faux-Outrage.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yeah cause 45 pages in it's still on topic Faux-Outrage.
    Well, not anymore because now we all want to know who PM'd you and to discuss your feelings.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    I'm not allowed to say, they have to say it was they.

    My point was if one person got so wound up on this notion my motives for the posting were, as suggested, I best nip that in the bud now with all posters.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    It really was amazing watching the left go after you when you chastized the Reverend. That was pretty sad.

    The most amusing thing about this thread is the sheer denial of basic Islamic law, even by those who claim to be Muslims.
    What a bold statement to make. Just curious, are you a Muslim? Have you ever studied Islam? Have you ever read the Qu'ran? If your answer is no to any of those questions, then I'd like to know what makes you an authority on the matter? Moreover, that you would assert that a Muslim doesn't know the tennants of their own religion...if anybody's an authority on Islam a Muslim would know! So, when a Muslim enters a thread that discusses the tennants of his/her religion and dispells lies from the truth, I'm more inclind to believe the Muslim than I am the person who most likely gets his/her information based on hearsay or uses cut-N-paste from some website like JihadWatch.

    Then the acceptance, then the denial again. Saying Obama was a Muslim according to Islam before he was a Christian is a fact. It does not mean he isn't a Christian now nor is it some conspiracy theory to attack him as a person.
    Are you sure about that last part? Because as I read through this thread, it certainly doesn't appear that some posters were defending him or his conversion to Christianity. Seems to me that each time a poster would argue the rationale of Rev. F. Grahams position or make a strong claim that what he thinks doesn't matter because the President has stated time and time again that he is a Christian they got ridicualed, dismissed or attacked. In short, it doesn't seem as if certain people were here to debate Rev. Graham's comments or the tennants of Islam. Seems to me some were here only to spread hate.

    So, I'll say it again...

    I can't say based on my own knowledge of Islam that what Rev. Graham said is true or not. I have read the Qu'ron (English translation version), but I have not studied the religion. As such, with my limited knowledge of Islam, I cannot say for certain if children born to Muslim parents are, in fact, inherintly born a Muslim anymore than I say that a child born to parents who are Buddist are, in fact, inherintly born Buddist. What I can tell you is that if I wanted to know the truth of the matter, I would either ask a Muslim or a Buddist, or I would study either religion for myself.

    I know you've had "access" to the commentary of a Muslim in this forum, and she told you exactly what is required of those who wish to follow her religious faith. In that, it is no different than those who wish to follow Christianity - the individual would have to follow certain tennants of that religion in order to be called a Christian. Deferring to the only Muslim authority who has shared her knowledge and experience with posters here on her religion and based on her expertise, I would have to say that what Rev. Graham said is untrue.

    Therefore, IMO, President Obama's religious faith is exactly as he has said it is: he is a Christian.

    If you still doubt him, I guess there's nothing anyone can do to convince you otherwise whether you believe he was "born" into another religion or converted as an adult. There's just no hope for people who wish to believe in foolish things or promote foolishness.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's no fun if you don't name names, Vic.
    But not naming the person in a PM without permission is the honorable thing to do...
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