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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why would someone pass up a better deal?
    There is the question, isnt it...

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Athiest is what Ann coulter thinks too. I think it's worth a thought.
    Id go with agnostic. an athiest intentionally doesnt believe. An agnostic simply doesnt care.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I apologize if this has already been stated.

    Since religion is based on faith and submission to a higher power how can someone that doesn't know about or practice the religion (like a newborn) be follower of the religion?
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Read the OP quote and you will see your position agrees with reverand Graham.
    Towit:
    I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name," Graham told CNN's John King in a televised interview that aired Thursday night.

    "Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That's what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said," Graham continued, adding that "the Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs."
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Graham appears to be saying the exact opposite of what I just said. Graham stated that Obama was born Muslim and later renounced the religion and then doubtfully suggests Obama is a Christian.

    I am saying specifically that no one can be born religious. Religion is a learned ideal, not an instinct.
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Graham was stating what some people...muslims and non muslims alike...perceive as a fact. Whether it is or isnt to you or me is immaterial. Some people believe that an infant doused during a catholic baptism is then catholic. Are they?

    Holy crap...
    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Obama was never a Muslim to begin with to denounce his "Muslim faith". He never had the faith to begin with, I don't recall him ever mentioning he prayed or fasted or gave zakhat!

    If tomorrow I left Islam and converted to Christianity then yes I denounced my "Muslim faith" because prior to that, I followed the pillars of Islam

    He just converted to Christianity.
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So NO Muslims believe you are born into your fathers faith?

    I think it has been pretty well established...not ALL muslim sects, like not all Christian sects...view things the same way. Because you or I personally disagree with it doesnt make it real to others. Nor does it necessarily make it real to Obama...lets accept that as well. I dont think thats what Graham was saying.
    I've pulled these posts together in the hopes of ending this entire debate.

    I understand what Rev. F. Graham was saying, essentially, that according to the Muslim faith, Pres. Obama inherited his father's Muslim religious heritage because according to the Islam, (male) children born to Muslim fathers are Muslims. I think the problem with what he said is the way he said it.

    Rev. Graham leads his commentary giving the impression that the President's religious birth-right heritage is set in stone, and he cements that with his closing statement.

    I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name."
    Read in this manner, Rev. Graham plants the seed in many people's minds, "born a Muslim, always a Muslim," and that there's no getting away from it.

    His closing statement...

    "the Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs..."
    ...reaffirms his opening assertation, "born a Muslim, always a Muslim."

    Now, althought Rev. Graham does state...

    "Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ....
    ...his next lines casts doubts...

    That's what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn't. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said..."
    Had he not added that commentary but instead stated firmly...

    President Obama is a Christian in the holy eyes of God and our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ...
    ...or something to that affect, we wouldn't be having this long, drawn out discussion. But as the saying goes, Rev. Graham "threw the President under the bus" by not closing the book of doubt as to whether or not our nation's 44th President is or is not a Muslim.

    IMO, this is what I think Rev. Graham should have said:

    I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim. Under the tennants of Islam, his father was a Muslim, the seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. As such under Islam, the President was born a Muslim [and,] his father gave him an Islamic name," Graham told CNN's John King in a televised interview that aired Thursday night.

    "Now it's obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. Therefore, the President is a Christian in the holy eyes of God through the saving grace of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior," Graham continued, adding that "although the Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs because of the traditions of Islam, he is a Christain."
    Had he said words to that affect as editted above, this entire issue would have been put to rest that night (...except for conspiracy theorist, birthers, truthers...you know...the people you just can't convince one way or the other no matter what is said to the contrary or what proof you place before their eyes).

    Again, it's not that what Rev. Graham said was inaccurate; it's just that he left the seed of doubt lingering there.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Towit:
    I've pulled these posts together in the hopes of ending this entire debate.

    I understand what Rev. F. Graham was saying, essentially, that according to the Muslim faith, Pres. Obama inherited his father's Muslim religious heritage because according to the Islam, (male) children born to Muslim fathers are Muslims. I think the problem with what he said is the way he said it.

    Rev. Graham leads his commentary giving the impression that the President's religious birth-right heritage is set in stone, and he cements that with his closing statement.

    Read in this manner, Rev. Graham plants the seed in many people's minds, "born a Muslim, always a Muslim," and that there's no getting away from it......edit....


    Had he said words to that affect as editted above, this entire issue would have been put to rest that night (...except for conspiracy theorist, birthers, truthers...you know...the people you just can't convince one way or the other no matter what is said to the contrary or what proof you place before their eyes).

    Again, it's not that what Rev. Graham said was inaccurate; it's just that he left the seed of doubt lingering there.
    Rev. Graham is a spiteful, petty, sad excuse of a man. He zealously rails against another religion while his own religion is severly lacking and so full of holes it doesn't hold water. Graham's vindictive behaviour and support for a genocidal maniac renders him unfit to sit at the table of leaders among men.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Marteau View Post
    I hardly see his lack of belief as a problem, though. I was under the impression that even Americans were astute enough to realise that religion has no place in politics -- Americans don't really care that he is pious, as long as he calls himself a Christian, right? I mean, the whole Christian/Muslim debate is POLITICAL posturing, it has nothing to do with actual religion!
    We don't like liars. He says he is christian.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    We don't like liars. He says he is christian.
    who is lying?

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    You need to read the books, he killed a Balrog, one of the most powerful creatures in Middle Earth, a spawn of Morgoth, he took all power from Saruman, who was more than his equal in power, and defeated the Witch King, Saurons most powerful liutenant.

    (i swear i'm not a nerd )
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

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    And I let a fart. That makes me more powerful than either of them.
    Hell...I froze them both in time with a touch of my pause button. They got no skillz!

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Threads like these are why I have basically given up on this site. This is ridiculous. It's like the entire site has turned into the conspiracy forum.

    Anyone have a good suggestion for a good political site where reasonable people can discuss politics? Where there is a good ratio between liberal and conservatives and no one wears tinfoil hats?

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Threads like these are why I have basically given up on this site. This is ridiculous. It's like the entire site has turned into the conspiracy forum.

    Anyone have a good suggestion for a good political site where reasonable people can discuss politics? Where there is a good ratio between liberal and conservatives and no one wears tinfoil hats?
    When the politicians themselves can't reasonably discuss politics it sets the tone for the entire nation. So what you see here is merely reflection of that political discourse. Personally, I find this site to be a good ratio between liberal and conservative. Unfortunately there are some here who are not here to discuss politics but rather to shill, bully and shoutdown opposing views making it difficult to have a reasoned discussion about politics. But I think you will find their kind on almost every political forum and they by any stretch of the imagination DO NOT represent the majority. My advice is to develop a tough skin, keep an objective open mind and just keep planting the seeds of truth. Because this nation is starving for truth, and so if you don't, then who will?
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