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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Then I'd suggest that those who oppose this mosque and have this fear of some sort of Muslim "hostile takeover of the country" stick to those facets of Islam most practised here in the West/America and stop going off on these wild tangants the give the false impression that every Muslim is a jihadist! It's insane to think so!! Such hatred is very much on par with the degree of hatred this nation experienced during the Civil Rights era only instead of it being whites against blacks, it's now directed towards Muslims and Hispanics.

    While some concerns are legitimate, the outright hate is not!!! STOP THE FOOLISHNESS!!!
    I dont disagree. My objection to the construction of the mosque has nothing to do with the muslim faith. Since I have been posting here I have recognized and argued that not all muslims are terrorists. That being said...I think there ARE legitimate reasons to oppose the construction of THIS mosque at THIS location.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That was another huge shocker for several of my fellow soldiers...they were SHOCKED when they were treated as badly as they were. Most of them thought, hey...we are going to the land of our brothers. Umm...not.
    Poor them, must have been a surprise.
    Many Arab Muslims have a superiority complex when it comes to Asians and Africans.

    Probably why I cry laughing when Islamophobes try and whip up fear over a United Muslim order
    No way will a Black Muslim listen to a Asian and vice versa and both would rather gouge out their eyes than follow the orders of Arabs

    It gets worst in the West where we are all forced together. We avoid one another if we can.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    In some yes. No matter what I do, I'd get stoned.
    I'm black. I'd probably get into **** in some Arab countries but Islam doesn't sanction that, culture does.

    Islam is also enforced in other Muslim countries where I could walk around and not get stoned for reading. The interpretations of Islam is influenced by culture hence why it differs so much when one looks at the difference races within the Muslim population and then further into the cultures.
    And BTW...thanks for your comments. I think if more people understood that...well...it would help people to see things differently. I think people autorespond to the worst in all of us. thus all catholic preists are child molesters and all muslims are terrorists.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I love the history in many Muslim countries but dislike the people. I avoid many for that reason.

    I hated Dubai, it's not a good place to visit unless your more the beach and sun type person. I can't swim and I don't need a tan so I pretty much spent 2 weeks bored out of my mind visiting tall ass buildings

    Syria tho is a beautiful country, it's steeped in history. Malaysia is on my list to visit as well.
    I've actually been to Dubai...very sandy. There's sand everywhere!! But it's also very modern (as if you couldn't figure that out from all the images of construction taking place there .) Still, the landscape is very appealing; very pretty countryside. I think most Americans would be surprised to learn just how westernized Dubai really is. There are several American-style fast-food restaurants there, luxury hotels, and you should see some of the cars many of the rich young Arab kids drive!! What some rich kid here in the U.S. drives would be put to shame!! U.S. = Lexis, Navigator, Escalaid; Dubai = Mercadies, BMW, Porche!!!

    I think I would have enjoyed my visit there more if I could have gone to other places off the main drag. But Ramadan was around the corner and us Westerners were discouraged from treading off the beaten path for concern we'd interver in local religious customs. (Admittedly, I didn't quite understand it back then, but with age comes maturity and wisdom.)

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    you sure?



    I'm pretty sure. If not that one than another one that only turned out looking like a cross because of the lighting. I admit, this looks pretty real.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I'm pretty sure. If not that one than another one that only turned out looking like a cross because of the lighting. I admit, this looks pretty real.
    'cause it looks like a pipe organ with a cross on it, i'm sure there's photos where there is an illusion, but i don't think it's this one.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Then I'd suggest that those who oppose this mosque and have this fear of some sort of Muslim "hostile takeover of the country" stick to those facets of Islam most practised here in the West/America and stop going off on these wild tangants the give the false impression that every Muslim is a jihadist! It's insane to think so!! Such hatred is very much on par with the degree of hatred this nation experienced during the Civil Rights era only instead of it being whites against blacks, it's now directed towards Muslims and Hispanics.

    While some concerns are legitimate, the outright blind hate is not!!! STOP THE FOOLISHNESS!!!

    It is not those in opposition that are fomenting this chasm. These are claims of the supporters that no matter how many times, and by how many in opposition say that they are not against all Muslims, or opposed to their rights, it is ignored, and this narrative is attached. Talk about misrepresentation.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I'm pretty sure. If not that one than another one that only turned out looking like a cross because of the lighting. I admit, this looks pretty real.
    I think actually you are remembering some one's campaign commercial. I vaguely remember the details, but it was much more subtle than this. Might have been a Bush commercial in 2000 or 2004, I honestly forget now.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    LOL No its not the topic. Read the OP. He said Obama was born a Muslim and converted to Christianity. How is that false?
    Because one of Obama's parents was Muslim and the other was Christian. Why aren't his detractors saying that he was born Christian? The answer is obvious. They want to pin him as a Muslim, in order to commit character assassination on him. Here is how it goes:

    Yes, Obama is a Christian, but he was born a Muslim (Let it sink in that those who attacked on 911 are also Muslim, and let a connection be made that Obama was also born of the same religion. That way, you get to assassinate Obama and moderate Muslims at the same time. Two character assassinations for the price of one. But wait, there's more. Act now, and you will also get to believe that Obama was actually born in Kenya. So, in this limited time offer, you get "Obama is a Muslim", "all Muslims are terrorists", and "Obama is not a US citizen". But hurry. Act now, before the truth catches up to these lies.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What did I cherry pick? Do you even understand the entire purpose of this conversation is to discover how Islam views children?

    She has produced no links at all to back up her claims. None. Yet you accept what she said on faith. How does that make for a good debate?
    Look, she is a Muslim. What better authority to discuss the Islamic faith than with someone of that religion? My take on this is very simple, very straight-forward:

    Either you're going to read/listen and learn from someone of that religion...

    ...OR...

    You're just going to ignore the knowledge she brings to the table and stay true to your personal prejudices and political biasness.

    Your choice...

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is not those in opposition that are fomenting this chasm. These are claims of the supporters that no matter how many times, and by how many in opposition say that they are not against all Muslims, or opposed to their rights, it is ignored, and this narrative is attached. Talk about misrepresentation.


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    It's not misrepresentation when people are now talking about their objections to implementation of Shariah Law or asking where the money is coming from or speaking out against the Imam and his wife's basic beliefs. The issue started out being about sensativity toward 9/11 victims and their survivors. I can even extend that concern to thos first-responders and volunteers who risked their lives and sacraficed their time and energy during the rescue, recovery and cleanup efforts. I am not so heartless that I don't feel their pain and sorrow in all this. But when you've gone beyond being sympathetic or empathetic for them, when you've gone beyond respecting their basic legal and human rights and you've stepped into their religious freedom and you espouse hate and inject fear into the debate based on this notion that ALL Muslims are evil and are coming here only to subvert our laws and replace them with their own, when you lump ALL Muslims under the same umbrella, when you use snippets of their Holy Book to champion your hate, THAT IS WRONG!!! And as an American AND as an African-American who has experienced racial bias, who recalls events from the Civil Rights era, who can see where treading on the rights of peaceful Muslims here can only have a davastating backlash for our troops and Ambassadors abroad in Middle-Eastern Muslim countries, YES! I stand against the oppressors!!!

    This is my country, too. And I will not sit quietly by on the sidelines and let our President nor American-Muslims be railroaded by people who are clearly blinded by hate and fear. Open your eyes and try to see what I see...

    It's okay to be concerned about what you think may happen, but leave room for honest dialog. Otherwise, your hate will do nothing but lead this country once again down a very dark path.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 08-24-10 at 01:32 PM.

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