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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    What your parents choose for you and what you choose for yourself are different considerations. Ultimately, your parent's desires are immaterial as each person nominally chooses for themselves when they come to that decision. Before that time, even if there was some sort of ceremony, effectively no choice has been made.
    I get that...I believe that. But whether people want to admit it or not, there ARE fundamentalist Muslim sects that do NOT believe it and denial of the fathers religion is tantamount to a death warrant. NOT all Muslims...I wish thats what people would get through their thick domes. Laila is RIGHT...of course she is and she probably knows better than anyone on this board her faith. But then...Laila freely admits that as a MUSLIM WOMAN she would be subject to death in SOME Muslim cultures. There is a difference in how it is believed, how it is lived, and yes...how it is enforced.

    I just dont see why people refuse to see the obvious.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    LOL No its not the topic. Read the OP. He said Obama was born a Muslim and converted to Christianity. How is that false?
    let's look at the first sentence of the OP:
    I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim.
    what is franklin graham's problem ... is it what he was before he became a born again Christian. must he always remain perceived as the heathen he was despite having been (supposedly) born again. if Obama's "problem" was being born a muslim then certainly franklin graham's "problem" is his heathenism
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    ok, here's proof

    LOL I remember that. It's not a cross. It accidently turned out looking like one.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I read this comment and thought..."wait a minute"! The Bible talks about these very same things, only it's abit more subtle about it.

    Joshua 24:15 (KJV) - And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve ; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell : but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

    Proverbs 22:6 (KJV) - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old , he will not depart from it.

    Now, of course, Christianity doesn't have any tennates that state specifically "born a Christian, always a Christian," but it does say...

    Jeremiah 32:40 (KJV) - And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good ; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

    As much as some would deny it, both religions have their similarities.
    I didn't know about those verses until partner told me when we brought up the topic of the household religion for any of our future children. I always argued Christianity doesn't have the same traditions as Islam where it goes through the male so the children should just be raised Muslim until older and if they choose to follow Christianity, they should. But he brought those verses out and shut me right up.

    The tradition is just a way of taking females of other religions but refusing to give up any of their own
    Idiocy if you ask me.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    LOL I remember that. It's not a cross. It accidently turned out looking like one.
    you sure?



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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I get that...I believe that. But whether people want to admit it or not, there ARE fundamentalist Muslim sects that do NOT believe it and denial of the fathers religion is tantamount to a death warrant. NOT all Muslims...I wish thats what people would get through their thick domes. Laila is RIGHT...of course she is and she probably knows better than anyone on this board her faith. But then...Laila freely admits that as a MUSLIM WOMAN she would be subject to death in SOME Muslim cultures. There is a difference in how it is believed, how it is lived, and yes...how it is enforced.

    I just dont see why people refuse to see the obvious.
    Those people are primitive and brutish, but that doesn't change the facts of the situation. A person chooses their own path and it cannot be chosen for them. Coersion in this sense is cause for regret thought as it interferes with the rightful decision that one has on this matter.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I get that...I believe that. But whether people want to admit it or not, there ARE fundamentalist Muslim sects that do NOT believe it and denial of the fathers religion is tantamount to a death warrant. NOT all Muslims...I wish thats what people would get through their thick domes. Laila is RIGHT...of course she is and she probably knows better than anyone on this board her faith. But then...Laila freely admits that as a MUSLIM WOMAN she would be subject to death in SOME Muslim cultures. There is a difference in how it is believed, how it is lived, and yes...how it is enforced.

    I just dont see why people refuse to see the obvious.
    In some yes. No matter what I do, I'd get stoned.
    I'm black. I'd probably get into **** in some Arab countries but Islam doesn't sanction that, culture does.

    Islam is also enforced in other Muslim countries where I could walk around and not get stoned for reading. The interpretations of Islam is influenced by culture hence why it differs so much when one looks at the difference races within the Muslim population and then further into the cultures.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OK...I'll jump in on this on too...

    I think the reason why people see things differently is because people 'see' different muslim ideologies. Let me promise you...and I am pretty sure Laila would readily agree...the world for a muslim woman in America with our Americanized muslim ideologies and England with their much more liberal Muslim ideologies is RADICALLY different from the world for a Muslim woman in fundamentalist muslim states. In a very real sense, BOTh are right, in their own absolute worlds. In places like Turkey, UAE, some others women are much more 'empowered' by the majority of people that practice the muslim faith. In places like Kuwait there is sort of a middle of the road progression for women and 'rights'. In places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and others where fundamentalists dominate, there is a strict adherence to a much more strict interpretation of the faith. Ultimately, I think most of us see what we want to see. If you want to see the Muslim world through Laila's eyes...you can, and you can find lots of examples where people live that way. If you want see the world through the eyes of the extrmeist fundamentalist, let me promise you...thsoe ways are there too. And lurking in those non-fundamentalist middle eastern states are still significant numbers of fundamentalists lurking, stirring things up, building support and biding their time.

    For example...a muslim woman can drive in Kuwait City. However it probably would not be advised in Jahra...just up the road. Down the road the other direction in Fahaheel (sp-its been a while) there are parts of the city that women are treated with respect, and other parts, not so much.

    Its simply not a cut and dried black and white world. Hell...If I remember correct there are something like 9 muslim sects...so even if you are Muslim that doesnt make you NOT an infidel and subject to death in the glorious name of Allah.
    Then I'd suggest that those who oppose this mosque and have this fear of some sort of Muslim "hostile takeover of the country" stick to those facets of Islam most practised here in the West/America and stop going off on these wild tangants the give the false impression that every Muslim is a jihadist! It's insane to think so!! Such hatred is very much on par with the degree of hatred this nation experienced during the Civil Rights era only instead of it being whites against blacks, it's now directed towards Muslims and Hispanics.

    While some concerns are legitimate, the outright blind hate is not!!! STOP THE FOOLISHNESS!!!
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 08-24-10 at 12:35 PM.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    In some yes. No matter what I do, I'd get stoned.
    I'm black. I'd probably get into **** in some Arab countries but Islam doesn't sanction that, culture does.

    Islam is also enforced in other Muslim countries where I could walk around and not get stoned for reading. The interpretations of Islam is influenced by culture hence why it differs so much when one looks at the difference races within the Muslim population and then further into the cultures.
    That was another huge shocker for several of my fellow soldiers...they were SHOCKED when they were treated as badly as they were. Most of them thought, hey...we are going to the land of our brothers. Umm...not.

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