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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I fail to see how anyone can be any religion unless they want to be. When you are a child, you are probably incapable of truly making that sort of choice.
    didnt we recently have a discussion on circumcision...rites...infant baptism, etc...

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Tough bargain.
    I'll let you keep the bacon ... IF ... you let have the Harry Potter theme park (what can I say? I'm easy)

    Congress will also be a nice bonus tho.
    Harry Potter theme park? Ugh ... I suppose. Only if it serves cold beer and bacon though.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The only reason Islam goes through the man is because in almost all Muslim societies, it follows a patriarchal line. Culture has dictated that family line goes through the males and religion just follows suit. Prophet Mohammed came from a time where this tribal thinking was common.

    I have ran across far more Muslim men allowing their children to be raised outside of Islam than Muslim women who marry out but refuse to allow the children to follow the faith of the father. Which just goes to show the notion that a Muslim man is capable of keeping the household religion is groundless and inside US and Europe, Muslim women are beginning to marry out

    It is Islamic tradition not law which dictates marriage rules.
    But no doubt Tex and others have no idea and would like to continue thinking it is written in stone
    I read this comment and thought..."wait a minute"! The Bible talks about these very same things, only it's abit more subtle about it.

    Joshua 24:15 (KJV) - And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve ; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell : but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

    Proverbs 22:6 (KJV) - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old , he will not depart from it.

    Now, of course, Christianity doesn't have any tennates that state specifically "born a Christian, always a Christian," but it does say...

    Jeremiah 32:40 (KJV) - And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good ; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

    As much as some would deny it, both religions have their similarities.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    didnt we recently have a discussion on circumcision...rites...infant baptism, etc...
    What your parents choose for you and what you choose for yourself are different considerations. Ultimately, your parent's desires are immaterial as each person nominally chooses for themselves when they come to that decision. Before that time, even if there was some sort of ceremony, effectively no choice has been made.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I love the history in many Muslim countries but dislike the people. I avoid many for that reason.

    I hated Dubai, it's not a good place to visit unless your more the beach and sun type person. I can't swim and I don't need a tan so I pretty much spent 2 weeks bored out of my mind visiting tall ass buildings and avoiding getting myself arrested. I got stopped so many times because my top was 'too low' or my jeans 'too tight' :/

    Syria tho is a beautiful country, it's steeped in history. Malaysia is on my list to visit as well.
    you should come to Australia too, we're not Muslim, but we're still the best country on earth. (that's a completely unbiased opinion)
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I fail to see how anyone can be any religion unless they want to be. When you are a child, you are probably incapable of truly making that sort of choice.
    I don't like the title of 'Muslim/Jewish/Christian child' because its inaccurate, they haven't chosen to follow that path


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    you should come to Australia too, we're not Muslim, but we're still the best country on earth. (that's a completely unbiased opinion)
    I don't know, your government is wacked out when it comes to social morality. That whole internet filter thing just plain pisses me off.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I love the history in many Muslim countries but dislike the people. I avoid many for that reason.

    I hated Dubai, it's not a good place to visit unless your more the beach and sun type person. I can't swim and I don't need a tan so I pretty much spent 2 weeks bored out of my mind visiting tall ass buildings.

    Syria tho is a beautiful country, it's steeped in history. Malaysia is on my list to visit as well.
    I grew up on the beaches and sun...so maybe thats why I loved Dubai so much. There is a resort there...the Onyx...its amazing. And some of the new ones they opened...yowza. Some of the malls downtown too...insane. Even some great nightclubs if you know where to look.

    I think UAE is a great example of why so many people have mixed conceptions about Muslims and the middle east. Some where their abayas into the ocean, some beaches are topless.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    you should come to Australia too, we're not Muslim, but we're still the best country on earth. (that's a completely unbiased opinion)
    I'd love to visit Australia but I want to get through Europe first.
    Seems a waste to have it on my doorstep and not exploit that xD


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I don't know, your government is wacked out when it comes to social morality. That whole internet filter thing just plain pisses me off.
    you know the funny thing about that, i was talking to an American fellow, and he was saying how surprised he was to hear someone say "s**t" on morning TV, and that they didn't blur someones middle finger when they showed it, so your countries still more prudish and the filter is a non-issue until our government figures out who's governing
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