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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    OK...I'll jump in on this on too...

    I think the reason why people see things differently is because people 'see' different muslim ideologies. Let me promise you...and I am pretty sure Laila would readily agree...the world for a muslim woman in America with our Americanized muslim ideologies and England with their much more liberal Muslim ideologies is RADICALLY different from the world for a Muslim woman in fundamentalist muslim states. In a very real sense, BOTh are right, in their own absolute worlds. In places like Turkey, UAE, some others women are much more 'empowered' by the majority of people that practice the muslim faith. In places like Kuwait there is sort of a middle of the road progression for women and 'rights'. In places like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and others where fundamentalists dominate, there is a strict adherence to a much more strict interpretation of the faith. Ultimately, I think most of us see what we want to see. If you want to see the Muslim world through Laila's eyes...you can, and you can find lots of examples where people live that way. If you want see the world through the eyes of the extrmeist fundamentalist, let me promise you...thsoe ways are there too. And lurking in those non-fundamentalist middle eastern states are still significant numbers of fundamentalists lurking, stirring things up, building support and biding their time.

    For example...a muslim woman can drive in Kuwait City. However it probably would not be advised in Jahra...just up the road. Down the road the other direction in Fahaheel (sp-its been a while) there are parts of the city that women are treated with respect, and other parts, not so much.

    Its simply not a cut and dried black and white world. Hell...If I remember correct there are something like 9 muslim sects...so even if you are Muslim that doesnt make you NOT an infidel and subject to death in the glorious name of Allah.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Crazy?

    You have no factual evidence but what you read on Jihadwatch.
    But haters will always be that.

    Still no evidence to support yourself. Color me shocked.

    And not a single link I provided was from Jihad watch.

    Your claims are getting more laughable by the minute.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And here's another link supporting what I've already said




    The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)

    Islam is the religion of all Prophets, Adam to Muhammad. Children are not born out of any sin, original, inherited or derived. They are born on the religion of their nature, i.e., Islam
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    Every Child is Born Muslim


    Too bad all the people thanking Laila didn't bother to ask for evidence to her disputing the evidence I already presented.
    did you not read that, let me point it out to you.
    Every Child is Born Muslim

    that's not simply the children of Muslims, so by your logic, you're a Muslim
    So follow me into the desert
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    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    did you not read that, let me point it out to you.
    Every Child is Born Muslim

    that's not simply the children of Muslims, so by your logic, you're a Muslim
    LOL So you admit the Muslim faith believes children are born Muslim.

    Thank you for making my point
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    You'll thank me in the long run when I take it away, cut down on your heart attacks and what not from eating pigs. They are such dirty animals anyway.

    When I trick my way to your Presidency pretending to be a Christian when I clearly am not and start implementing Sharia law to subjugate all of you. I promise to leave your alcohol alone.

    And who says we Muslims aren't fair? I take one away, I give you another.
    Oh no...you will still ban alcohol...you will just create places like Bahrain where Allah cant see you and the wealthy can go and drink and enjoy prostitutes.

    Sorry...Saudi Muslims put the 'fun' in fundamentalist...

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Too bad all the people thanking Laila didn't bother to ask for evidence to her disputing the evidence I already presented.


    Muslims believe every child in the world is born in a state of fitra.
    EVERY child.

    Fitra is a state of purity. Every child is pure in God's eyes. Innocent.

    A Muslim is one who submits themselves completely to the will of God, this purity is sinless and is a symbol of total obedience to Allah.
    Hence when one "converts" to Islam. We do not call them converts but reverts. They have reverted back to the original fitra by embracing Islam.

    I have 4 hours till I can break fast, any more lies you wish to spread?
    Last edited by Laila; 08-24-10 at 12:04 PM.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    I LOVE THIS! Thank you SO much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Here Tex.
    I found you a YouTube video which I think demonstrates clearly for those unable to comprehend why Obama is not a Muslim.



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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    Muslims believe every child in the world is born in a state of fitra.
    EVERY child.
    Which means, however hard it is to believe. You were Muslim once as well.
    Guess you still are since you haven't proved different, welcome to the brotherhood of Islam Texmaster.

    Fitra is a state of purity. Every child is pure in God's eyes. Innocent.

    Islam is one who submits themselves completely to the will of God, this purity is sinless and is a symbol of total obedience to Allah.
    Hence when one "converts" to Islam. We do not call them converts but reverts. They have reverted back to the original fitra by embracing Islam.

    I have 4 hours till I can break fast, any more lies you wish to spread?
    So Islam believes all children are born Muslim.

    That would include Obama would it not? Thank you for admitting it
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I know its fun to trust people you like with the claims they make but I prefer factual evidence to back them up. Call me crazy.
    No, she actually understands that the Qur'an cannot be looked at in a vacuum. Neither can the Bible or any other religious text. I can pull all kinds of awful things out of the Bible that make Christians look like bloodthirsty killers when viewed out of context and without the proper cultural background. Cherry-picking like you have done does nothing but makes you look silly.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    Muslims believe every child in the world is born in a state of fitra.
    EVERY child.
    Which means, however hard it is to believe. You were Muslim once as well.
    Guess you still are since you haven't proved different, welcome to the brotherhood of Islam Texmaster.

    Fitra is a state of purity. Every child is pure in God's eyes. Innocent.

    Islam is one who submits themselves completely to the will of God, this purity is sinless and is a symbol of total obedience to Allah.
    Hence when one "converts" to Islam. We do not call them converts but reverts. They have reverted back to the original fitra by embracing Islam.

    I have 4 hours till I can break fast, any more lies you wish to spread?
    Laila...totally just out of curiosity-no points to prove...have you ever been to the middle east? Where is your family from?

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