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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Quickly, someone make me a time machine. I want to be a god worshipped by all those who have J as the first letter of their name.
    An evangelical pretending that someone else isn't "Christian" enough?

    Never.

    Yet another right-winger who says, "He says he's not a Muslim, so I suppose it's true." To even lend this debate credibility is continuing to stoke the fires of hatred and to further "otherize" American muslims.

    This is merely an attempt to make the president renounce a religion.

    I swear, some will not stop until we are at war with every Muslim nation.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Even if this is 100% true, what's the point in talking about it? Exactly what is he hoping to accomplish?
    to impugn Obama's character. this is the fellow who, after 9/11, referred to islam as "a very evil and wicked religion". more recently franklin graham stated that islam "is a religion of hatred. It's a religion of war"
    franklin is the black sheep of the graham family as george is to the bush clan ... no surprise, both black sheep are friends and easily led figureheads of political neoconservatives
    from his book, franklin graham writes
    "The God of Islam is not the God of the Christian faith. The two are different as lightness and darkness."
    this fellow is a reich wing evangelical who will say and do anything under the cover of Christ. he is a propagandist
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    But you can be born Jewish, if your mother is. I believe that's along the lines of what he is referring to.
    That's not even close to what he's referring to. Jews are a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion. That's why I can't understand how Libbos think that disliking Muslims is racism.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's not even close to what he's referring to. Jews are a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion. That's why I can't understand how Libbos think that disliking Muslims is racism.
    Whatever we all are - races or religions - I think the important thing is to be able to distinguish between biological and ideological.

    Because while it's okay to reject certain ideologies (in fact, it's vital that we do this), I don't think it's okay to reject certain genetic features OR certain economic situations since they are both inherited, and are beyond the scope of mankind's comprehension - we have no idea what genetic features are most adaptable so we're best not to interfere with them.

    The debate about whether "Jewish" refers to a "race" or a "religion" and whether racism is as bad as other forms of discrimination, seems a bit pedantic. Isn't being accepted for the things you can't change the most important thing here? Along with knowing which things can be changed?

    If Jewish can be changed, then it's ideology. But it seems far more likely to me that all Abrahamic religions are ideologies. And that would mean that the religion of birth of Obama (or anyone else) means very little as far as decision-making goes.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    So that means I can write a book, say everyone with a name that starts with a J belongs to my religion, and that means that everyone who has the letter J belongs to my religion until they denounce it?
    Its what the religion believes and recognizes. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Yeah.

    But I wonder about Franklin Graham. He says he is a Christian. He claims to be reborn. We cannot say he hasn't, right? So we have to believe he is what he has said.

    But maybe he's a goddam liar.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Wow, why would anyone want to even attempt to defend what this pastor said is beyond me.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Of course it matters. The faith is what sets the belief, not an outsider looking in.
    I did not know that our religion was genetic.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Its what the religion believes and recognizes. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
    Okay, so let's say that it is true that under the Islamic faith, the son "inherits" his religious faith from the father. As has already been echoed by the President himself, his biological father was never involved in his life. So, he didn't receive the teachings of Islam from him. Instead, he likely learned about it from his step-father who raised him until he was around 10 years old. But even that brief period isn't enough to cement the teachings of Islam into the mind of a child. It takes alot longer for those ideals to become habit forming.

    Point is the man has stated publicly what his religious preference is, and he has done so on a number of occasions. It is public knowledge that he attended a Christian church for over 20 years. The anti-American rants by his former pastor notwithstanding, how do you remain with a Christian church that long and hide your Muslim faith? It's just not possible!

    The President doesn't conduct himself as a typical Muslim despite having an accute understand about the religion. I just think it absord that we're even having this discussion!

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Its what the religion believes and recognizes. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
    But one religion does not set the laws of the world. Unless Obama himself recognizes that rule, it is void in this situation.
    Reality tends to have a liberal bias.

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