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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    New decree of ScottDism, when the first son of Texmaster is born, he shall automatically be considered a follower of the allmighty and powerful ScottD, and he will be until he denounces said religion.
    New decree on ScottD. Read up on the practices and teachings of a religion before commenting. You will save yourself considerable embarassment.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Being born to the father of one does not make anyone a Muslim.
    Actually it does yes.

    Following the 5 pillars of Islam and 6 articles of faith makes someone a Muslim. Taking the declaration makes one a Muslim.
    A chance of birth does not make one a Muslim.
    "Our Lord! Bestow on them your Mercy as they did bring me up when I
    was small"

    and they are the ones in every nation upon whom hope for the future
    lies, and they are the youth of tomorrow upon whose shoulders the
    call to Islaam is carried. Indeed Islaam has indeed elevated the
    status of children and has laid down manners for their treatment
    relating to all their affairs and each stage of their and from these
    are the manners for welcoming their arrival in this life.

    Our Prophet (SAW) was a living example, educating, cultivating the
    Muslims upon the practices of Islaam, teaching them how to worship
    their Lord in the best of ways. But a number of Muslims have strayed
    from his pure teachings and have substituted that which is gold for
    that which worthless...

    "Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers, that is
    more just in the Sight of Allaah"

    It is also allowed for the parents to allow others to name the child,
    since our Prophet (SAW) used to name some of the children of his
    Companions.

    The name should carry a good and praiseworthy meaning as the
    Messenger (SAW) said,

    "On the Day of Resurrection, you will be called by your names and
    your fathers names, so make your names good." (Abu Dawood)

    It is recommended to call oneself a servant of Allaah (Abdullaah) or
    the servant of any of the names of Allaah. Then it is recommended to
    name a child after a prophet, due to the hadeeth,

    "call yourselves by the names of the Prophets" (Abu Dawood)

    and the hadeeth,

    "a son was born to me this night and I called him after my forefather
    Ibraaheem" (Muslim)

    Then it is recommended to name the child after any pious person in
    the hope that it will become like him/her. Then it is recommended to
    name by any name which has good meaning.

    It is forbidden to name a child with a name that denote servitude to
    other than Allaah, for example Abd an-Nabi, Abd ar-Rasool etc, just
    as it is forbidden to name them with names that are particular to the
    Unbelievers like George, Michael, Susan etc.


    I have yet to see you produce a single link claiming a child born to one or two Muslim parents isn't a Muslim.

    Please support your claim with factual backing.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...h-on-parenting
    Last edited by texmaster; 08-23-10 at 08:27 PM.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post

    Please support your claim with factual backing.
    Obama claims Christianity as his religion....end of story.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    How would you know? I mean, you are only a Muslim yourself...

    Oh wait..
    So anyone of a faith understands that faith completely? thats your position?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Obama claims Christianity as his religion....end of story.
    No one is denying that.

    Try reading the story from the beginning next time.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    No one is denying that.

    Try reading the story from the beginning next time.
    I have and IMHO you are on shaky ground. Essentially what you are attempting to argue is that every Muslim with a male father that has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior is still a Muslim. I doubt Jesus nor the teachings of the Bible would make such a rejection of faith in Jesus Christ.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Actually it does yes.


    [i] "Our Lord! Bestow on them your Mercy as they did bring me up when I
    was small"

    The Newborn Child Born into Islam - Qur'an and Sunnah on parenting
    Actually. No it doesn't.
    Stop making **** up because this routine of pretending to know what you are typing is getting boring.

    Your link is useless.
    Inside Islam one must follow the pillars of Islam.
    Having a father who happened to be a Muslim is worthless, it does not protect one from hell.
    One can be Muslim and have an entire Non Muslim family likewise one can come from a Muslim family and be a Non Muslim.
    Islam is not a race, one has to believe in one God and also believe that Prophet Muhammad is God's Messenger to be called a Muslim.


    The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "The believer who recites the Qur'an is like a citron whose fragrance is sweet and whose taste is delicious. A believer who does not recite the Qur'an is like a date-fruit which has no fragrance but has a sweet taste. The hypocrite who recites the Qur'an is like a colocynth whose fragrance is so sweet, but its taste is bitter. The hypocrite who does not recite the Qur'an is like basil which has no fragrance and its taste is bitter.''
    You can decipher what that means on your own. I'll wait for your no doubt copy and pasted response from Jihadwatch.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I have and IMHO you are on shaky ground. Essentially what you are attempting to argue is that every Muslim with a male father that has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior is still a Muslim. I doubt Jesus nor the teachings of the Bible would make such a rejection of faith in Jesus Christ.
    The only reason Islam goes through the man is because in almost all Muslim societies, it follows a patriarchal line. Culture has dictated that family line goes through the males and religion just follows suit. Prophet Mohammed came from a time where this tribal thinking was common.

    I have ran across far more Muslim men allowing their children to be raised outside of Islam than Muslim women who marry out but refuse to allow the children to follow the faith of the father. Which just goes to show the notion that a Muslim man is capable of keeping the household religion is groundless and inside US and Europe, Muslim women are beginning to marry out

    It is Islamic tradition not law which dictates marriage rules.
    But no doubt Tex and others have no idea and would like to continue thinking it is written in stone
    Last edited by Laila; 08-23-10 at 08:51 PM.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So anyone of a faith understands that faith completely? thats your position?
    I know my religion because I study and follow it everyday.
    Which is more than can be said about anyone else on this board who attempt to discuss Islam.

    I just /facepalm whenever people who no doubt have never read a Qu'ran and hadiths start discussing what they think about Islam.


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The only reason Islam goes through the man is because in almost all Muslim societies, it follows a patriarchal line. Culture has dictated that family line goes through the males and religion just follows suit. Prophet Mohammed came from a time where this tribal thinking was common.

    I have ran across far more Muslim men allowing their children to be raised outside of Islam than Muslim women who marry out but refuse to allow the children to follow the faith of the father. Which just goes to show the notion that a Muslim man is capable of keeping the household religion is groundless and inside US and Europe, Muslim women are beginning to marry out

    It is Islamic tradition not law which dictates marriage rules.

    The only reason texmaster is presenting this argument is that he thinks there is a political advantage in it. But every Christian knows once one accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior you are a Christian and sins are absolved. It is one of the selling points of Christianity.

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