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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    And if you read the OP you'd see Rev. Graham calls Obama a Christian, but that would require reading past the title of the thread.
    I did read the OP.

    I saw that he calls him a Christian NOW.

    He also says Obama WAS a Muslim.

    If you'd read MY posts you'd see that's where I'm disagreeing with him on. Barack Obama never considered himself a Muslim so I don't consider him ever being am uslim. And I'm *pretty* sure the Reverend Graham is not a Muslim so what Islamic law says isn't binding to him, so he's actually suggesting that the edicts of Islamic Law should supercede individual beliefs and stances of those who are not muslim.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    And JFK was a Catholic.

    Several Sundays shows made the point -- why does it matter if he is?

    Oh, right... Fox News ginning up the GOP base with good ol' fashion xenophobia...

    Ironic, that a Nation founded by immigrants should harbor that much fear of foreigners...
    Oooooooohhhhh...skeeeery! Dont let the Fox News Boogeyman get ya! Or...well...facts...get in the way of your comments.

    The interview was in response to a question posed by a CNN reporter...and listed on an ABC website.

    And the simple fact is that Grahams comments were 100% accurate. He WAS born to a Muslim faith...by the fathers bloodline...and then Graham goes on to SAY...right there...that Obama himself has renounced the Muslim faith and embraced Christianity...a claim which Graham SUPPORTED!

    But the idiotic kneejerk liberal left has but ONE response any time The One is involved...

    Pathetic

    Fox News! Fox News! Auuuugh!!! And racists!! People that dont like Obama are racists!!! Bill Clinton is a racist! Everyone that disagrees with him. His opponents on the basketball court are racist for trying to prevent him from scroing baskets. Designers of golf courses are racist for desinging right dogleg holes because he is left handed. Racists everywhere...and all under the control of Fox News. And Glenn Beck.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    We're closing in on 200 posts and nobody has yet stated why Obama's religion matters.

    It DOESNT matter. Point of fact...I dont believe he is Christian. Or Muslim. I dont think he is at all religious and only went to church because it was the politically expedient thing to do in Chicago.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It DOESNT matter. Point of fact...I dont believe he is Christian. Or Muslim. I dont think he is at all religious and only went to church because it was the politically expedient thing to do in Chicago.
    Ding, ding, ding..... give the man a kewpie doll.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Guess what, here's a shocker

    I'M NOT MUSLIM
    Here's a shocker WHERE DID I SAY YOU WERE?

    So what the Muslim's holy book says, what it dictates to its followers, what it declares is IRRELEVANT to me.
    For the third time, what you personly believe is irrelevant.

    Barack Obama says he's not a Muslim. Barack Obama says he never was a Muslim. In my eyes then Brack Obama was never a muslim. I don't give a **** if Muslims say he was a Muslim in their eyes, because THEIR classification of him means jack ****. The only classification of someones religion that matters to me is their own.
    You can believe whatever you want it wont change the facts of the religion, whom he was born to or what that religion says about their children.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Praying is all very well, be so much better if he (obama) listened.
    When Obama is 'praying' is he talking to himself?

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    When Obama is 'praying' is he talking to himself?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Part of the confusion in this country about Obama's islamic roots, is born of the fact that he himself is so vague about it.

    he denies the religion, although the three male members closest to him in blood line, his father, his grandfather, and his stepfather are all Muslims, and the fact that he attended a school in Jakarta where he was listed as a Muslim himself, now denounces it.

    That in Islam is called Apostasy.

    Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda‎) is commonly defined as the rejection in word or deed of their former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam. The traditional schools of Islamic jurisprudence are unanimous in holding that apostasy by a male Muslim is punishable by death.

    Apostasy in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Or might it be something like this:


    YouTube - Obama is Lying and Why Islam is Violent

    Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

    There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.



    The Qur'an:
    Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

    Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

    Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

    Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

    Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"

    Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

    Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

    Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.



    From the Hadith:

    Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

    Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

    Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

    Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered despite putting up a ferocious struggle for his life.

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    Muslims are allowed to lie to unbelievers in order to defeat them. The two forms are:

    Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true.

    Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief."

    TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and the Truth
    So Obama may not be a Muslim, or is he? I don't think he is, but he is mindful of the scriptures of the Koran, and uses moral relevance to allow Islam in.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    "L'État, c'est moi"
    Yes my son...what do I want?

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You can believe whatever you want it wont change the facts of the religion, whom he was born to or what that religion says about their children.
    I'm not saying Muslims may not view him as being born Muslim.

    I'm saying that he doesn't self identify as a Muslim and thus its ridiculous for a non-muslim to suggest that he was a muslim based on a religion they dont' even follows edict.

    Unless you subscribe to every other edict Islam proclaims Tex

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