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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Weak.

    He obviously knew enough to know he was studying the Koran.
    Look... what do you know about Indonesian public schools? Only what you read on ignorant Conservative blogs... Indonesia was a secular country. ALL FIVE officially recognized religions are discussed in their religious awareness and tolerance classes. That has LONG been part of the national curriculum in public schools.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Look... what do you know about Indonesian public schools? Only what you read on ignorant Conservative blogs... Indonesia was a secular country. ALL FIVE officially recognized religions are discussed in their religious awareness and tolerance classes. That has LONG been part of the national curriculum in public schools.
    Look... I already said I know NOTHING about Indonesian schools and frankly could care less about Indonesia.

    Ignorant conservative blog ??? I didn't realize that Obama's "Dreams from my Father" was an "ignorant conservative blog".

    If you care to not believe what Obama himself said about his education in that backward country, that's your prerogative. I could really care less.

    When over 86% of the population is Muslim, I don't consider it a "secular" country. But feel free to continue your delusions.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Is it, or is it not clear that Obama through not only his father, step father, and grandfather had as much introduction to Islam in his formative years as any Christian child?

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    When over 86% of the population is Muslim, I don't consider it a "secular" country. But feel free to continue your delusions.
    So do you consider the USA a secular country?

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So do you consider the USA a secular country?
    Don't you?


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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So do you consider the USA a secular country?
    More so than Indonesia.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Look... I already said I know NOTHING about Indonesian schools and frankly could care less about Indonesia.
    Then why don't you take it from someone who DOES know something about the schools there?

    Ignorant conservative blog ??? I didn't realize that Obama's "Dreams from my Father" was an "ignorant conservative blog".
    Cite page, please? Again, he was a small child who was not fluent in the language of instruction, that being Bahasa Indonesia.

    If you care to not believe what Obama himself said about his education in that backward country, that's your prerogative. I could really care less.
    Bigoted much? Indonesia has FIVE official religions. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism and Protestantism. ALL FIVE are discussed in their religious awareness classes. It is part of the national curriculum. You can wallow in ignorance or you can actually open your mind and listen to someone who actually KNOWS about the educational system there because he has done research about it, sat in classes, spoke with educators and can actually communicate in the language.

    However, if you prefer to remain ignorant, that is your choice.

    When over 86% of the population is Muslim, I don't consider it a "secular" country. But feel free to continue your delusions.
    What percentage of Americans are Christian? Indonesia was very much secular in public instutions during the days of Suharto.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    More so than Indonesia.
    You have already admitted that you don't know anything about Indonesian education.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You have already admitted that you don't know anything about Indonesian education.
    Yes, but unlike you, I know how to read. Indonesia is 86% Muslim. The U.S. is 58% Christian.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Remember folks...

    You can't be born gay

    But you can be born a specific religion



    Regardless of whether or not that religion dictates you're "one of theirs", faith is an entirely self made entity and designation. If you have never considered yourself Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Zoroastrian, Hindu, or whatever else have you then you're not Christian, Jewish, Muslims, etc.

    Amazing thing that, no "holy book" is law or some kind of definitive absolute unquestionable truth. The fact the Muslim holy book says the child of a muslim man is Muslim doesn't magically make it a universal truth.

    See, I live in America. We have this thing called freedom. I'm not going to back handed slander someone to try and benefit the idiot conspiracy theorist by insisting he is, or was, something he states he never was simply because some holy book says by their view he is. Great for them. By my view, as an American, and a belief in choice, Barack Obama has never considered himself Muslim and therefore is not muslim.

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