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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

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    Obama doesn't agree with you. From Dreams From My Father:
    PolitiFact | Obama attended an Indonesian public school

    Obama Debunks Claim About Islamic School - washingtonpost.com

    "The allegations are completely baseless," said Akmad Solichin, the vice principal at SDN Menteng 1, who added, "Yes, most of our students are Muslim, but there are Christians as well. Everyone's welcome here ... it's a public school."

    A spokesman for Indonesia's Ministry of Religious Affairs said claims that Obama studied at an Islamic school are groundless.

    "SDN Menteng 1 is a public primary school that is open to people of all faiths," said the spokesman, Sutopo, who goes by only one name. "Moreover, he studied earlier at Fransiskus Assisi, which is clearly a Catholic school."
    What do you know about Indonesian public schools? Ever been in one? Ever talked to people there? Ever known anyone who attended one?
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

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    PolitiFact | Obama attended an Indonesian public school

    Obama Debunks Claim About Islamic School - washingtonpost.com



    What do you know about Indonesian public schools? Ever been in one? Ever talked to people there? Ever known anyone who attended one?
    I know nothing about Indonesian schools, but I'm assuming Obama does since he says he attended a Muslim school there.

    Your beef is with Obama, not me... I'm just quoting him.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I know nothing about Indonesian schools, but I'm assuming Obama does since he says he attended a Muslim school there.

    Your beef is with Obama, not me... I'm just quoting him.
    You didn't even give a link, and it isn't what I remember him saying in The Audacity of Hope, which I have read.

    The fact is he went to a public school. Public schools in Indonesia are secular. Indonesia has FIVE officially recognized religions (Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Protestantism and Catholicism). All of which are welcome and all of which are brought up in schools to facilitate understand and tolerance as part of the pancasila ideology...
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Catholics don't pray directly to God - they believe it is unacceptable/not permitted/etc.
    That is incorrect. Intercession e.g., asking Mary to intervene on one's behalf, does not preclude praying directly to God. Roman Catholics can and do pray directly to God. From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    We can, of course, address our prayers directly to God...

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You didn't even give a link, and it isn't what I remember him saying in The Audacity of Hope, which I have read.

    The fact is he went to a public school. Public schools in Indonesia are secular. Indonesia has FIVE officially recognized religions (Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Protestantism and Catholicism). All of which are welcome and all of which are brought up in schools to facilitate understand and tolerance as part of the pancasila ideology...
    You probably don't remember it in Audacity of Hope because it's in Dreams from my Father, as I already said. I don't have an electronic copy of the book, but the quote is available here:

    Barack Obama

    Once again, those are Obama's words and description of his school, not mine. The links you provided don't disprove he went to a Muslim school, only that he didn't go to a radical Muslim school, which I am not claiming.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    What does that have to do with being born a Muslim?
    Graham's appeal is to those with low IQs.
    No baby is born a christian nor a muslim; babies are born innocent of man's hatred and fear.
    What Graham is doing is dishonest and despicable.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

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    Once again, those are Obama's words and description of his school, not mine. The links you provided don't disprove he went to a Muslim school, only that he didn't go to a radical Muslim school, which I am not claiming.
    He went to a PUBLIC school. All public schools in Indonesia are secular. All public schools require students to attend classes aimed at creating awareness of ALL FIVE officially recognized religions in Indonesia.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    He went to a PUBLIC school. All public schools in Indonesia are secular. All public schools require students to attend classes aimed at creating awareness of ALL FIVE officially recognized religions in Indonesia.
    Ohh, ok. Guess Obama doesn't know where he went to school.

    Or... he lied. Wouldn't be the first time, or the last.

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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Ohh, ok. Guess Obama doesn't know where he went to school.

    Or... he lied. Wouldn't be the first time, or the last.
    He was also a small child at the time and he was not fluent in the language.
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    Re: The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    He was also a small child at the time and he was not fluent in the language.
    Weak.

    He obviously knew enough to know he was studying the Koran.

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