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    High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they face

    This is why its just as important to vote in local elections. You would expect to hear about this kind of nonsense happening in the UK not in the US.

    High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they face $100 fine | cleveland.com


    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It would be a stretch to say that Big Brother will hang out in Clevelanders' trash cans, but the city plans to sort through curbside trash to make sure residents are recycling -- and fine them $100 if they don't.

    The move is part of a high-tech collection system the city will roll out next year with new trash and recycling carts embedded with radio frequency identification chips and bar codes.

    The chips will allow city workers to monitor how often residents roll carts to the curb for collection. If a chip show a recyclable cart hasn't been brought to the curb in weeks, a trash supervisor will sort through the trash for recyclables.

    Trash carts containing more than 10 percent recyclable material could lead to a $100 fine, according to Waste Collection Commissioner Ronnie Owens. Recyclables include glass, metal cans, plastic bottles, paper and cardboard.

    City Council on Wednesday approved spending $2.5 million on high-tech carts for 25,000 households across the city, expanding a pilot program that began in 2007 with 15,000 households.

    The expansion will continue at 25,000 households a year until nearly all of the city's 150,000 residences are included. Existing carts might be retrofitted with the microchips.

    "We're trying to automate our system to be a more efficient operation," Owens said. "This chip will assist us in doing our job better."
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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    i'd just disable the chip.
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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    i'd just disable the chip.
    Wouldn't the city figure out something was wrong if the chip stopped working and do you actually know how to do something like that?
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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Wouldn't the city figure out something was wrong if the chip stopped working and do you actually know how to do something like that?
    to disable the chip, just find where it is in the bin, and run electricity from a car battery through it, should short circuit it, and plead ignorance.
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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    You guys are so behind the times! It's not complicated.

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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    I think you guys are missing the point. Just because right now the chips could be accessed and disabled is no reason to let officials do this.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    If you disable the chip, you're not letting them do anything.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If you disable the chip, you're not letting them do anything.
    And what if next year or a couple years from now they come out with a new model which would require some tampering that would leave physical evidence that someone tampered with the chip? Perceived government incompetence is no reason to let them spy on citizens or their garbage. Something like this could also be used as a stepping stone towards something more intrusive. The point is the government should never be allowed to something like this.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    Well, then, I guess you shouldn't pay the city to take your garbage.

    You lose any and all legitimate claims to privacy with respect to your garbage the minute you hand that garbage to a government worker.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they f

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is why its just as important to vote in local elections. You would expect to hear about this kind of nonsense happening in the UK not in the US.

    High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they face $100 fine | cleveland.com


    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- It would be a stretch to say that Big Brother will hang out in Clevelanders' trash cans, but the city plans to sort through curbside trash to make sure residents are recycling -- and fine them $100 if they don't.

    The move is part of a high-tech collection system the city will roll out next year with new trash and recycling carts embedded with radio frequency identification chips and bar codes.

    The chips will allow city workers to monitor how often residents roll carts to the curb for collection. If a chip show a recyclable cart hasn't been brought to the curb in weeks, a trash supervisor will sort through the trash for recyclables.

    Trash carts containing more than 10 percent recyclable material could lead to a $100 fine, according to Waste Collection Commissioner Ronnie Owens. Recyclables include glass, metal cans, plastic bottles, paper and cardboard.

    City Council on Wednesday approved spending $2.5 million on high-tech carts for 25,000 households across the city, expanding a pilot program that began in 2007 with 15,000 households.

    The expansion will continue at 25,000 households a year until nearly all of the city's 150,000 residences are included. Existing carts might be retrofitted with the microchips.

    "We're trying to automate our system to be a more efficient operation," Owens said. "This chip will assist us in doing our job better."
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