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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I might only have one vote, but thankfully I'm not alone. On behalf of the majority of Floridians who share my view, we thank you for your kind support.
    Sixty-four percent (64%) of U.S. voters now believe offshore oil drilling should be allowed, an eight-point jump from mid-July. Just 21% disagree and feel such drilling should not be permitted, while 15% more are not sure.

    Support for offshore oil drilling is at its highest level since mid-May. That support has ranged from 56% to 64% in regular tracking since the oil rig explosion in the Gulf in late April that caused the leak. Still, 72% favored offshore drilling just after President Obama's announcement in late March that he was lifting the longtime ban on such drilling.
    64% Support Offshore Oil Drilling, 55% Favor Deepwater Drilling - Rasmussen Reports™

    Three in four likely voters – 74 percent – support offshore drilling for oil in U.S. coastal waters and more than half (59 percent) also favor drilling for oil in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge, a new Zogby International telephone poll shows.
    Poll: 74 percent support offshore oil drilling in U.S. » Naples Daily News

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    I don't see what this has to do with the fact that a majority of Floridians oppose drilling.
    New poll: 71% of Florida voters want vote on banning oil drilling | Saint Petersblog
    Poll: Voters want say over offshore drilling - Florida - MiamiHerald.com

    Two years old, try again.

    Also, just a friendly word of advice for you. You might want to change your inaccurate sig, to reflect the fact that there is such a thing as a natural born dual citizen.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't see what this has to do with the fact that a majority of Floridians oppose drilling.
    Hint: There are more States in the USA than just Florida Oops.... see first poll

    Also, just a friendly word of advice for you. You might want to change your inaccurate sig, to reflect the fact that there is such a thing as a natural born dual citizen.
    LOL........ like some POS article on the internet is going to over turn 6 Supreme Court opinions and 196 years of Constitutional law.

    Youss funny guy.
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    A better analogy is that I don't like gambling with my primary source of income. Saving 23,000 jobs in the short term is not worth the risk of losing millions of jobs, potentially for decades in the future. It's a simple cost benefit analysis, which you'd think somebody who purports to understand the economics would be able to wrap their head around.
    If I'm not mistaken, these jobs will be gone permanently or for many yrs. not short term. Am I correct, oil guys?
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't drive that much, so I'm fine with paying more. I think we should be paying the actual cost of gasoline, personally, rather than having the hidden pricetag that flows through foreign wars, etc. We might have very different fuel consumption habits if we did, and get over our unhealthy addiction to oil.

    Yes, I am a fascist treehugger.
    Liberals are the ones who are supposed to "care" so much for the poor. Yet they say things like I don't drive much, I walk a lot, my job's close, I'm willing to pay more to save the planet, 23,000 jobs gone is better than a chance of an oil spill, gas prices need to be artificially raised to force people into electric cars..... blah blah blah
    Glad to see you care about the little guy who is barely making ends meet.
    This Moretorium is a bigger disaster than the spill. Geez, I can't wait til this job killing president is out of office.
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    Catawa is my favorite bleeding heart liberal.
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes, but that study predated the BP issue, dinnit?
    People always have knee-jerk reactions to large events. If you're asking whether floridians support more drilling right now, then you're probably right. If you're asking whether they've supported it historically and whether they'll support it in the long term, I doubt the answer is the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Well, you're almost right. A true cost benefit analysis would look a little more like this:
    [The benefit of drilling (23K jobs)] < [((Cost of another disaster, i.e. (millions of lost jobs + billions of lost tourism)) * the likelihood of the disaster) + the cost to tourism from negative public perception if the moratorium is prematurely lifted]
    And I would argue that that additional factor is infinitesimal. Do you really think that tourists are going to cancel their vacations because of a misconception about a moratorium that involves a small number of wells in the Gulf? I bet that 90+% of people don't even know what the moratorium is.

    It's pretty simple, really. Look, it's sad that 23k people will lose their jobs in the oil industry, but that pales in comparison to the damage that oil spill could have on the tourism industry if there is another spill, and moreover if the public perception is that nothing is being done about it. The Gulf Coast has an image to rehabilitate here (not to mention an ecosystem).
    It is quite simple, which is why I'm not sure why you're again missing the fundamental issue - the reduction in probability of another spill that this moratorium will have. Again, you've not offered a shred of evidence to indicate that the moratorium will have any effect. If the effect is nil or vanishingly small, then the equation is pretty simple.
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, these jobs will be gone permanently or for many yrs. not short term. Am I correct, oil guys?
    You got it, sister. Those rigs that are going to Brazil, aren't going to just pull off bottom and move back to teh GOM, just because the Obamatorium has been lifted.

    Look on the bright side. This is just one more thing that will contribute to this goofy bastard getting his dumb ass run out of town on a rail, in 2012.
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You got it, sister. Those rigs that are going to Brazil, aren't going to just pull off bottom and move back to teh GOM, just because the Obamatorium has been lifted.

    Look on the bright side. This is just one more thing that will contribute to this goofy bastard getting his dumb ass run out of town on a rail, in 2012.
    You don't get it. Obama writes off La as a red state. So he could care less what happens to the people in that state.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    You don't get it. Obama writes off La as a red state. So he could care less what happens to the people in that state.
    You don't get it. When he does that, he sends a message to every other American that he doesn't really want to be a leader, only get re-elected. In short, if he's willing to **** can Louisiana jobs--the second blackest state in the union--for political reasons, he'll do it to anyone.
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