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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're back fishing. Didn't know if you heard.
    Yeah, for seafood that everybody is to afraid to eat. That will do wonders for the price of shrimp. How are people who call themselves libertarians so ignorant about economics?


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    that's where you're missing the boat. If people that visit Florida are unemployed, they won't be spending any money in Florida.
    You're talking like every tourist who visits the Gulf Coast somehow has their livelihood connected to the Gulf Oil industry. That's nonsense. Explain to me how the moratorium is going to affect the income of snowbirds from Quebec and you might have a point.


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    Too bad The Massiah and his propaganda machine made far too much of this oil spill. Huh?
    Yeah, ok Why don't you tell it to George Noory.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How much do Florida fishermen generate, every year?
    More than Florida oil rigs!

    What does that have to do with anything, anyway? Tourism is king, everything else takes a back seat.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    More than Florida oil rigs!

    What does that have to do with anything, anyway? Tourism is king, everything else takes a back seat.
    Ok, how much does tourism generate, then?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You're talking like every tourist who visits the Gulf Coast somehow has their livelihood connected to the Gulf Oil industry. That's nonsense. Explain to me how the moratorium is going to affect the income of snowbirds from Quebec and you might have a point.
    You think that Florida can survive on just what the Quebies spend?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'd like to see how that study was done, as there is absolutely no indication is supports the conclusion you draw from it. Does it include Florida's Atlantic coast in the "Gulf" economy? How much of that oil industry is in Mexico? It seems like very skewed numbers to me, and there is not enough information to be determinative of anything.
    It doesn't jive with your paradigm, so you just discount it. Gotcha.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Not that it really matters, even if oil is the largest industry in the US Gulf economy (which there is no evidence for, and it seems likely that this is not the case, but even assuming for the sake of argument that it is true), it doesn't matter. The moratorium on new drilling isn't hurting our oil industry as much as another oil spill would hurt our tourism, period. But the voice of the segment of the economy that benefits from tourism is not as unified as the oil industry, whose shills are very vocal indeed and adept at distorting facts. But when we cut through the BS, it's obvious to anybody that there is enough potential harm that could come from another oil spill, and enough public relations damage-control that needs to be done to combat the effects of the BP spill, that the moratorium is justified.
    Right, so you prefer to let the strong-arm of government protect your interests. How libertarian of you.

    I don't give a **** about your tourism. If it can't stand up to a couple of tarballs, it wasn't meant to survive in the first place. If you have to use government force to protect your tourism, it wasn't meant to survive in the first place. Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're not clotted up now, are they? Most of the tar balls that are there, didn't even come from MC 262.

    What are you going to do when the entire economy along the gulf cost collapses, because of the millions of oilfield jobs that will be killed because of the moratorium? I think that's what people are having a hard time wrapping their heads around. There's no doubt that millions of oilfield dollars flow into Florida every year. I know all kinds of people that spend their oilfield wages in Florida
    There aren't millions of oilfield jobs on the gulf, for starters. Secondly, the only jobs impacted by the moratorium are NEW drilling in deepwater wells. Try harder.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

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    I don't give a **** about your tourism. If it can't stand up to a couple of tarballs, it wasn't meant to survive in the first place. If you have to use government force to protect your tourism, it wasn't meant to survive in the first place. Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it.
    I don't give a **** about your oil wells. If our only source of oil is from new deepwater wells, we're already ****ed.

    For the record, there are over 4,000 active wells in the gulf right now that are not being impacted by the moratorium. Put on your big-girl panties and deal.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You think that Florida can survive on just what the Quebies spend?
    Tourism is our bread and butter here, and it brings in billions, enough so that we don't have a state income tax. Maybe you should focus on subjects you are more familiar with, like nutria.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't give a **** about your oil wells. If our only source of oil is from new deepwater wells, we're already ****ed.

    For the record, there are over 4,000 active wells in the gulf right now that are not being impacted by the moratorium. Put on your big-girl panties and deal.
    What's funny is that drilling deepwater wells wouldn't really be necessary if the coastal states would get over their squeamishness regarding drilling closer in to shore.

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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    It doesn't jive with your paradigm, so you just discount it. Gotcha.
    So you don't have any evidence to back up your claims. Gotcha.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Right, so you prefer to let the strong-arm of government protect your interests. How libertarian of you.
    Don't give me that nonsense. There's more than one way to be a libertarian, and the variety I subscribe to recognizes the important role government plays in protecting the environment.

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