Page 2 of 12 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 117

Thread: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

  1. #11
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's not partisan politics. I'd rather have 23K lose their jobs than have another oil spill.
    Those are the two options?

    What if the choice was between 23,000 people losing their jobs and having a 1% chance of another oil spill?
    What if the choice was between 23,000 people losing their jobs and having a .01% chance of another oil spill?
    What if the choice was between 23,000 people losing their jobs and having a .000001% chance of another oil spill?

    I think that's a pretty relevant factor that the Obama administration has completely ignored, which is exactly what the judge said.
    Last edited by RightinNYC; 08-22-10 at 01:28 AM.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  2. #12
    Sage
    Moot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:56 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27,472

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    From the article.....
    Interior Department spokesman Matt Lee-Ashley said the agency has been very clear that the economic impacts of the moratorium would need to be addressed and noted the Obama administration secured an agreement with BP to set up a $100 million fund for affected rig workers.

    "In light of the current risks of deepwater drilling as illustrated by the BP Deepwater Horizon Spill and the potential impacts of another spill, the moratorium is necessary and appropriate. With that said, the worst-case economic impact estimates from three months ago have not been realized. The reality on the ground suggests that the impacts are less than we initially projected as a potential worst-case scenario," Lee-Ashley said.
    A hundred million dollar fund, to tie the oil workers over for six months suggests they aren't starving and they haven't lost their jobs because they will go back to work when the moratorium is over. And now, three months into the moratorium the impacts worse case scenario on the local economy has not been realized. So it sounds like someone is playing politics to hide the truth.

    I'm more curious to know how the oil spill will effect human health and the environment over the long haul. Because without good health, those oil workers won't be able to work and then what will they do?
    Last edited by Moot; 08-22-10 at 04:59 PM.

  3. #13
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    From the article.....


    A hundred million dollar fund, to tie the oil workers over for six months suggests they aren't starving and they haven't lost their jobs because they will go back to work when the moratorium is over.
    $100,000,000/23,000 = $4,347/person.
    Even if you only want to count the 9,000 people who were directly impacted, that's $11,111/person.

    I'm going to guess that the average person affected by this moratorium makes substantially more than $4,300 or $11k over six months.

    And now, three months into the moratorium the impacts worse case scenario on the local economy has not been realized. So it sounds like someone is playing politics to hide the truth.
    You're quoting a government official who claims that the worst case scenario hasn't been fully realized as proof that things are okay and that the moratorium his bosses requested is a good idea.

    Yes, it does sound like someone is playing politics to hide the truth.


    I'm more curious to know how the oil spill will effect human health and the environment over the long haul. Because without good health, those oil workers won't be able to work and then what will they do?
    What does the current oil spill have to do with the proposed moratorium?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  4. #14
    Sage
    Moot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:56 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27,472

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    $100,000,000/23,000 = $4,347/person.
    Even if you only want to count the 9,000 people who were directly impacted, that's $11,111/person.

    I'm going to guess that the average person affected by this moratorium makes substantially more than $4,300 or $11k over six months.

    You're quoting a government official who claims that the worst case scenario hasn't been fully realized as proof that things are okay and that the moratorium his bosses requested is a good idea.

    Yes, it does sound like someone is playing politics to hide the truth.

    What does the current oil spill have to do with the proposed moratorium?
    Well, I'm only going by what the article said.

    "WASHINGTON – A six-month ban on deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico would directly put more than 9,000 people out of work and indirectly affect another 14,000 jobs, according to a memo from the nation's top drilling regulator."

    So who is saying the six-month ban would directly put more than 9,000 people out of work and indirectly affect another 14,000 jobs? "A memo by a nations top drilling regulator?" Really? That sounds rather dubious considering who failed to regulate the oil rig in the first place and the cozy connection they had with the oil industry.

    So why didn't the article give a direct quote from the "memo" or from this "nations top drilling regulator" or even give his name? That sounds rather dubious, too. So, are we to believe this so called "nation's top drilling regulator" knows more about the current economic impact than Interior Department spokesman Matt Lee-Ashley?
    Last edited by Moot; 08-22-10 at 05:39 PM.

  5. #15
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Last Seen
    12-15-10 @ 02:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    287

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Who is behind Gulf oil leaking?

    BP originates from “The National Iranian Oil Company” in 1953, and was ousted from Iran in 1979. When US wants to start a war in Iran, they need again the ally of the Great Britain like what they had when Bush started Iraq invasion. But the poddle of Tony Blair is not at the seat. To extort Britain to join the coming Iran war, the Gulf oil spill was created to shake the foundation of the BP. To save BP from the financial trouble – joining the Iran war.

    Quote, “
    Iran Accountable for BP Oil Spill
    Posted on 03. Aug, 2010 by Raja Mujtaba in Enviornment
    By Mehreen Saee

    In order to pay for the damages it caused to U.S. businesses and to itself, BP will likely resort to its historic strategy of how it became an oil giant in the first place. And the U.S. will once again help the corporation as we did in 1953 when a covert CIA plot overthrew Iran’s democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and instated an authoritarian regime in order to acquire that country’s oil.
    The coup proved to be a successful covert experiment for the U.S. when The National Iranian Oil Company was transformed into British Petroleum in 1954…..

    In 1979, Iran’s Islamic Revolution ousted BP from the country and attained back its resources; but for the past few years U.S. officials have again been looking toward Iran, which still has the world’s third largest oil reserves.

    Iran Accountable for BP Oil Spill | Opinion Maker

  6. #16
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, I'm only going by what the article said.

    "WASHINGTON – A six-month ban on deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico would directly put more than 9,000 people out of work and indirectly affect another 14,000 jobs, according to a memo from the nation's top drilling regulator."

    So who is saying the six-month ban would directly put more than 9,000 people out of work and indirectly affect another 14,000 jobs? "A memo by a nations top drilling regulator?" Really? That sounds rather dubious considering who failed to regulate the oil rig in the first place and the cozy connection they had with the oil industry.

    So why didn't the article give a direct quote from the "memo" or from this "nations top drilling regulator" or even give his name? That sounds rather dubious, too. So, are we to believe this so called "nation's top drilling regulator" knows more about the current economic impact than Interior Department spokesman Matt Lee-Ashley?
    The "nation's top drilling regulator" is the person who Obama picked to head up the regulation of the oil industry in the wake of this spill. Are you saying he can't be trusted?

    Moreover, the two statements don't really contradict each other. One says that the moratorium will cost 23,000 jobs. The statement from the interior department says that there is a $100m fund and that the worst case scenario hasn't been "fully" realized.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  7. #17
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by kathaksung View Post
    Who is behind Gulf oil leaking?

    BP originates from “The National Iranian Oil Company” in 1953, and was ousted from Iran in 1979. When US wants to start a war in Iran, they need again the ally of the Great Britain like what they had when Bush started Iraq invasion. But the poddle of Tony Blair is not at the seat. To extort Britain to join the coming Iran war, the Gulf oil spill was created to shake the foundation of the BP. To save BP from the financial trouble – joining the Iran war.

    Quote, “
    You have an entire forum for this, please keep it there.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  8. #18
    Sage
    Moot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:56 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27,472

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The "nation's top drilling regulator" is the person who Obama picked to head up the regulation of the oil industry in the wake of this spill. Are you saying he can't be trusted?
    He's not a drilling regulator, he's a lawyer newly appointed to head MMS , and if he did say that, then why didn't the article quote him directly or attach his name to the "memo".

    Moreover, the two statements don't really contradict each other. One says that the moratorium will cost 23,000 jobs. The statement from the interior department says that there is a $100m fund and that the worst case scenario hasn't been "fully" realized.
    Not "fully realized means it's been three months into the moratorium and the worst case scenario has not occured. So when did the anonymous "nations top drilling regulator" make that memo, because the "federal document" was sent "July 10 by Michael Bromwich" ? It is now almost September.

  9. #19
    Girthless
    RightinNYC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    New York, NY
    Last Seen
    01-23-11 @ 11:56 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    25,894

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    He's not a drilling regulator, he's a lawyer newly appointed to head MMS , and if he did say that, then why didn't the article quote him directly or attach his name to the "memo".
    Because it was a poorly written news article. Here's a few that are more clear.

    Administration Foresaw 23,000 Lost Jobs from Drilling Ban - WSJ.com
    The Associated Press: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    According a memo last month from Michael Bromwich, the nation's top drilling regulator, the six-month suspension is directly putting 9,450 people out of work. The memo also says the ban indirectly affects nearly 14,000 other jobs.
    Senior Obama administration officials concluded the federal moratorium on deepwater oil drilling would cost roughly 23,000 jobs, but went ahead with the ban because they didn't trust the industry's safety equipment and the government's own inspection process, according to previously undisclosed documents.

    ...

    They show the new top regulator or offshore oil exploration, Michael Bromwich, told Interior Secretary Ken Salazar that a six-month deepwater-drilling halt would result in "lost direct employment" affecting approximately 9,450 workers and "lost jobs from indirect and induced effects" affecting about 13,797 more

    Not "fully realized means it's been three months into the moratorium and the worst case scenario has not occured. So when did the anonymous "nations top drilling regulator" make that memo, because the "federal document" was sent "July 10 by Michael Bromwich" ? It is now almost September.
    The memo is the "federal document" being referred to. Again, the article is poorly written, but the facts are explained in better detail in the other articles I linked.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

  10. #20
    Sage
    Moot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:56 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27,472

    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Because it was a poorly written news article. Here's a few that are more clear.

    Administration Foresaw 23,000 Lost Jobs from Drilling Ban - WSJ.com
    The Associated Press: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    The memo is the "federal document" being referred to. Again, the article is poorly written, but the facts are explained in better detail in the other articles I linked.
    Okay, but there is still a problem with the date of the "memo", July 10, and the fact that it was only a worst case scenario of what might happen. So where is the data or proof or research or new "memo" stating that the worst case scenario has been "fully realized" when there is no evidence or new information to suggest that it has been "fully realized"?

    The other problem with the AP articles, and it is a major one, there doesn't seem to any "memo" or "federal document" by Michael Bromwich giving an economic job loss "worst case scenario" whatsoever. If you can find it, then please let me know. Because the last and only memo I can find by Michael Bromwich is dated August 16, 2010 and it makes no mention of the economic job loss impact from the morititorium on 63 exploratory oil rigs.

    http://www.doi.gov/news/pressrelease...e&PageID=42011

    http://www.boemre.gov/ooc/PDFs/Bromw...timony0722.pdf

    White & Case LLP - Publications - New Interior Department Investigative Unit to Oversee and Investigate Offshore Drilling Companies

    Bromwich Hopes to Shorten Deep-Water Drilling Ban - WSJ.com

    http://www.doi.gov/deepwaterhorizon/...e&PageID=38375

    Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement HomePage

    Deepwater Horizon Response
    Last edited by Moot; 08-22-10 at 09:42 PM.

Page 2 of 12 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •