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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    The doom and gloom seems a bit premature.

    While it is too early to gauge the long-term environmental or economic effects of the release of 4.9 million barrels of oil into the gulf, it now appears that the direst predictions about the moratorium will not be borne out. Even the government’s estimate of the impact of the drilling pause — 23,000 lost jobs and $10.2 billion in economic damage — is proving to be too pessimistic.

    There are several reasons the suspension has not cut as deeply as anticipated.

    Oil companies used the enforced suspension to service and upgrade their drilling equipment, keeping shipyards and service companies busy. Drilling firms have kept most of their workers, knowing that if they let them go it will be hard to field experienced teams when the moratorium is lifted. Oil companies have shifted operations to onshore wells, saving industry jobs.

    So far, few oil rig workers have been laid off

    But he added that Statoil had not laid off any gulf workers. “Our base assumption is we will be able to resume our activities and work with our deepwater leases,” he said.

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    But Mr. Breed said the company (The Noble Corporation, a major offshore driller) had not let any rig workers go so far.
    Could be that it's not profitable for them to go elsewhere, especially in anticipation of the moratorium ending soon.

    And the administration has dropped repeated hints that the offshore drilling ban will be eased or removed before it is set to expire on Nov. 30.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/us/25drill.html?hp
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    ... the Financial Times reported that employees from Apache and Mariner, along with thousands of oil industry workers, rallied in Houston to protest the Obama administration’s offshore drilling moratorium that was designed as a safety precaution after BP’s disastrous Gulf oil spill. A Mariner Energy employee chastised the Obama administration for its drilling moratorium, which would not have affected the rig that exploded today:

    Companies ranging from Chevron to Apache bussed in up to 5,000 employees to the Houston convention centre to underline to Washington the industry’s contribution to the country. [...]

    “I have been in the oil and gas industry for 40 years, and this administration is trying to break us,” said Barbara Dianne Hagood, senior landman for Mariner Energy, a small company. “The moratorium they imposed is going to be a financial disaster for the gulf coast, gulf coast employees and gulf coast residents.”

    Apache Corp. recently agreed to buy BP assets in order to help the British oil giant meet its financial obligations as a result of its Gulf of Mexico oil spill. ...
    ooops ... another oil rig disaster on the gulf coast you say - by the organizations that were protesting the moratorium yesterday
    The U.S. Coast Guard said this morning that a natural gas and oil drilling platform exploded 80 miles off the coast of Louisiana. A Coast Guard spokesperson said the platform, Vermilion Oil Rig 360, is an oil and gas platform in 2,500 feet of water and is owned by Houston-based Mariner Energy. ... Apache Corp. recently purchased Mariner in a multi-billion dollar deal.
    Think Progress » One Day Before Its Gulf Oil Rig Exploded, Mariner Energy Said Obama ‘Is Trying To Break Us’ With Moratorium
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ooops ... another oil rig disaster on the gulf coast you say - by the organizations that were protesting the moratorium yesterday

    Think Progress » One Day Before Its Gulf Oil Rig Exploded, Mariner Energy Said Obama ‘Is Trying To Break Us’ With Moratorium
    It doesn't appear that this incident is even in the same ballpark as the first incident, so I don't know what this proves.
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    It doesn't appear that this incident is even in the same ballpark as the first incident, so I don't know what this proves.
    i'll type slowly

    the organizations which had protested the oil drilling moratorium experienced a drill rig blowout the following day
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That's a pretty narrow minded and stupid way to look at it -- you completely missed the point.

    And stopping the MMS from issuing new permits while the failure in the system is necessary. Had the oil industry not bought up influence so that they control the regulators, this never would have happened.

    I'm sorry for the workers, but had their bosses been men with character and integrity and not greedy scumbags, they'd sill have a job.
    23,000 people lose their jobs, that's pretty stupid.
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i'll type slowly

    the organizations which had protested the oil drilling moratorium experienced a drill rig blowout the following day
    No matter how condecending you want to be, Vermillion 360 is a production platform, not a drilling rig.

    Is there going to be a moratorium on production platforms, now?
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i'll type slowly

    the organizations which had protested the oil drilling moratorium experienced a drill rig blowout the following day
    Rather than typing slowly, I suggest you use that time to read a bit more about what happened.

    The first incident was a blowout that caused the largest oil leak in US history,
    This incident was a small fire, not a blowout, and caused no oil leak whatsoever.

    The platform could have been manned by BP's board of directors and it still wouldn't mean a goddamn thing, as the two incidents are not even remotely the same.

    Calm Down People: Factchecking Thursday’s Oil Fire in the Gulf - TIME NewsFeed

    After an oil and gas production platform in the Gulf of Mexico caught fire Thursday, media outlets (including us) were quick to jump to conclusions. If you were watching cable news at the time, you would have thought it was the day's biggest story: Could this be BP, part two? Turns out, not at all. So let's move beyond the hyperbole, and focus on what actually matters about oil production in the Gulf.

    Now that the Coast Guard and media companies have had time to digest yesterday's events, we can now see just how different yesterday's events were from BP's oil rig explosion. First of all, yesterday's incident was a fire, not an explosion. Second of all, Deepwater Horizon was a rig, which drills wells, while yesterday's Mariner Energy incident was on a platform. Platforms place pressure on the wells to keep oil flowing and sometimes collect the oil or gas itself, and are in place for years at a time.

    The Mariner Energy platform does not violate a government moratorium on deepwater drilling, since no drilling took place and the platform is in shallow water.
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    How do you like this... The Obama administration knew the oil drill ban would cost 23,000 jobs, but did it anyway...

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    Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban - Yahoo! News
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    Yet when the final report came out, the timelines he saw had been removed, no doubt because they argued against the necessity of a six-month moratorium. Mr. Arnold adds that the Administration's decision to allow industry to continue drilling "gas injection wells"—which, he says, are no more risky than production wells—only shows the moratorium makes "no sense."

    "This was a political call; this was not a technical call," says Mr. Arnold. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar has since testified that the call was his. But Robert Bea, from the University of California at Berkeley, who also reviewed the report, told us Interior had sent him a letter that "stated clearly that [the moratorium] had been inserted at the request of the White House." Mr. Bea pointed out that the Department of Interior is more than equipped to target and shut down specific Gulf operations that might offer safety concerns. There was no call for a moratorium "for industry as a whole."

    Ford Brett, managing director of Petroskills and also a reviewer, notes that the experts first went to the Interior Department with their concerns. "All they had to do was put out another press release—one sentence long—clarifying that we hadn't reviewed the drilling moratorium. . . .That didn't happen." Only then did the experts go public.

    As for Ms. Browner's claim that no one was "misrepresented," Mr. Brett disputes that. Several reviewers said they had, in fact, received "apology" notes from the Interior Department acknowledging the misrepresentation. "We did not mean to imply that you also agreed with the decision to impose a moratorium on all new deepwater drilling," read one.

    All of this matters because it offers proof the moratorium was driven by politics, not safety. The drilling ban was not reviewed by experts, and was not necessary to satisfy most of the safety recommendations in Mr. Salazar's report. It was authored by political actors so Mr. Obama could look tough. A cynic might argue the ban was only added after review precisely because the Administration knew experts would refuse to endorse it.

    A big reason why those experts would have balked is because they recognize that the moratorium is indeed a threat to safety. Mr. Arnold offers at least four reasons why.

    The ban requires oil companies to abandon uncompleted wells. The process of discontinuing a well, and then later re-entering it, introduces unnecessary risk. He notes BP was in the process of abandoning its well when the blowout happened.
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Rather than typing slowly, I suggest you use that time to read a bit more about what happened.
    identify the part i got wrong

    The first incident was a blowout that caused the largest oil leak in US history,
    This incident was a small fire, not a blowout, and caused no oil leak whatsoever.

    The platform could have been manned by BP's board of directors and it still wouldn't mean a goddamn thing, as the two incidents are not even remotely the same.

    Calm Down People: Factchecking Thursday’s Oil Fire in the Gulf - TIME NewsFeed
    that the Obama administration has chosen a wise governmental practice to impose a moratorium to assure that off shore drilling procedures are safe and adequately monitored before enabling additional oil drilling incidents to occur in the gulf
    recognize that the very organizations which campaigned against such precautionary measures are the ones we now see experiencing oil drilling incidents
    i have made this observation as simple as is possible in the hopes you will now be able to grasp it
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    Re: Gov't: 23K workers affected by Gulf oil drill ban

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    identify the part i got wrong
    It's not that you got anything wrong, it's that you don't appear to understand why that's entirely irrelevant.

    that the Obama administration has chosen a wise governmental practice to impose a moratorium to assure that off shore drilling procedures are safe and adequately monitored before enabling additional oil drilling incidents to occur in the gulf
    recognize that the very organizations which campaigned against such precautionary measures are the ones we now see experiencing oil drilling incidents i have made this observation as simple as is possible in the hopes you will now be able to grasp it
    Obama's moratorium was on 1) deep water 2) drilling.
    This incident 1) did not involve deep water 2) or drilling.

    I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

    Imagine that Congress passed a law banning the consumption of alcohol because it leads to drunk driving. I march in the streets to protest that law. On the way home from that rally, I answer my phone while driving and crash into a pole. Using your logic, the fact that I crashed is proof that prohibition is necessary.
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