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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

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    Far more than that. How many people do you know that are honestly even a little bit concerned about prison rape?
    I figured that there would be a few who would get squeamish if it were put to them as "this person is going to be sentenced to being raped by their cellmate," but you're probably right.
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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It's barbaric, but you cannot argue that the punishment does not fit the crime.
    Same here.
    It's barbaric, it's backwards, it's primitive, it should never be implemented in a moral and civilized society - but the criminal deserves it.
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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It can also be argued that caring for, and protecting the rights of criminals is barbaric and sick.
    Only by someone with absolutely no regard for the concept of civilized society. If someone does not deserve society's protection, kill them or exile them; maiming and torturing them is perverse.

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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Same here.
    It's barbaric, it's backwards, it's primitive, it should never be implemented in a moral and civilized society - but the criminal deserves it.
    Well yeah, it's the Dirty Harry, Leathal Weapon sort of thing, right? Sure those guys bend some laws...break some laws; but they never hurt any good people and they get the bad guy in the end; so it's cool and everyone gets their comeuppance. But it can't work in reality, because in reality the behavior breaks the system. So people say that this dude deserved it. And maybe in this case it's true. But if you adopt this sort of punishment as standard; what happens when you convict the innocent guy? Surely this happens. Convict someone who was innocent of the crime. Then you severe his spine, and he's paralized. Years later, new evidence points to the innocence of that man. Now what? Who gets paralyzed? The jury for wrongful conviction? Judge for the punishment? DA for the prosecution? Or would people say that it is as it is, sucks to be him buy you can't paralyze anyone on the government side for it since they were doing part of their job? Well then you're in the same scenario you were in when you started then, victim (now victims) paralyzed; criminal walking around.

    We like the idea of the Dirty Harry getting the criminal, but real world application that Dirty Harry is a dirty cop most likely and even if not will cause significant damage to people and property around him through his actions.
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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well yeah, it's the Dirty Harry, Leathal Weapon sort of thing, right? Sure those guys bend some laws...break some laws; but they never hurt any good people and they get the bad guy in the end; so it's cool and everyone gets their comeuppance. But it can't work in reality, because in reality the behavior breaks the system. So people say that this dude deserved it. And maybe in this case it's true. But if you adopt this sort of punishment as standard; what happens when you convict the innocent guy? Surely this happens. Convict someone who was innocent of the crime. Then you severe his spine, and he's paralized. Years later, new evidence points to the innocence of that man. Now what? Who gets paralyzed? The jury for wrongful conviction? Judge for the punishment? DA for the prosecution? Or would people say that it is as it is, sucks to be him buy you can't paralyze anyone on the government side for it since they were doing part of their job? Well then you're in the same scenario you were in when you started then, victim (now victims) paralyzed; criminal walking around.

    We like the idea of the Dirty Harry getting the criminal, but real world application that Dirty Harry is a dirty cop most likely and even if not will cause significant damage to people and property around him through his actions.
    I was speaking hypothetically in the case when the guilty is indeed guilty.

    Besides that, it's not like innocent people don't get convicted anyway in our law systems, I understand there are irreversible punishments and even more irreversible punishments.
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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I was speaking hypothetically in the case when the guilty is indeed guilty.

    Besides that, it's not like innocent people don't get convicted anyway in our law systems, I understand there are irreversible punishments and even more irreversible punishments.
    Yeah, I got that. But sometimes people think enthusiastically about these sorts of punishments without thinking of real world consequences. And I know that innocent people get caught up in our law system, that's why I said that it happens. It's even more to the point of restricting the types of punishments handed out by the courts. You kill someone or paralyze someone; it's kinda hard to undo that if it turns out they were innocent.
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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, I got that. But sometimes people think enthusiastically about these sorts of punishments without thinking of real world consequences. And I know that innocent people get caught up in our law system, that's why I said that it happens. It's even more to the point of restricting the types of punishments handed out by the courts. You kill someone or paralyze someone; it's kinda hard to undo that if it turns out they were innocent.
    It's not so easy to undo 15 years in jail for a false rape charge either, but I get your point, I'm not for such law system as I've already stated.
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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It's not so easy to undo 15 years in jail for a false rape charge either, but I get your point, I'm not for such law system as I've already stated.
    Yup. I personally think that the government has WAY too much power these days in court systems. They have laws for everything, and huge ass punishments. That way they can bring people up on big charges and say "oh you can plea deal to blah"; with blah having a lot better terms. But if you didn't do anything, you either have to spend a lot of money to defend yourself and perhaps still get that huge punishment or you take the plea and admit to something you didn't really do. But that's another thread topic I suppose.
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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Only by someone with absolutely no regard for the concept of civilized society. If someone does not deserve society's protection, kill them or exile them; maiming and torturing them is perverse.
    Didn't say that, I'm saying that NOT EVERYONE, shares such a view of the value of human life. And offered a different perspective. What you call perverse they call justice, what you claim "civilized society" is a weak society that allows such crimes to flourish.
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    Re: Report: Saudi judge considers paralysis punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    what you claim "civilized society" is a weak society that allows such crimes to flourish.
    That, or a society based on the rights and liberties of the individual. You know, either or.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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