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Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

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Actually, I'd say no. Right wingers may try to influence, but they can't do anything directly. We still have legalized abortion, which the right wingers would have never allowed it in it's present form. Some Muslim countries still cut limbs off for various theft crimes.

Probably the biggest issue the "Christian right" has influence on is Same Sex Marriage. About the only reason to not want to legalize SSM is religious, and IMO the only reason it hasn't yet. Though, I would agree with you that don't have nearly the influence that they can completely control the country.
 
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I don't know of any Christian theocracy's today, except maybe the Vatican. The parallel isn't exclusive to Christianity, it's for all religions, and that using religion in government is a bad thing. No matter what religion.


The Vatican does not control Italian government in any where near the same way that Islamic clerics have control over islamic states. But you make my point. The fact that you must reach back centuries to justify tolerance for a barbaric form of government and subjugation of the people that Islam provides, then parlay it into some argument for tolerance of a mosque of conquest at a site that tramples on the memories of the victims of that day is to me wholly disingenuous. Sorry.

It's not a justification, it's just an example of how Islam isn't special, and it's not the only religion that was/is used to control governments.

So what?! And how exactly is that supposed to further tolerance today for this mosque?


We shouldn't ignore them, but we shouldn't have this fear of Islam that some people have.

They have declared thousands of fatwa's and calls to Jihad against us. Are we supposed to ignore that? This pre 9/11 mindset is what cost us on that day, and now the argument is that, 'ah, forget them, they are no threat'? Really?

For American, I don't think so. Why should we have to police the world?

And whom would you abdicate that to? China? Russia? Iran?


They shouldn't be ignored, but there not a threat to our freedoms that some people would make them out to be.

What did this mindset get us before 2001?

Our Constitution protects us from anyone who wants to put any religion into our laws.

Obama says that the constitution is a charter of 'negative liberties'.


j-mac
 
Probably the biggest issue the "Christian right" has influence on is Same Sex Marriage. About the only reason to not want to legalize SSM is religious, and IMO the only reason it hasn't yet. Though, I would agree with you that don't have nearly the influence that they can completely control the country.


Does the "Christian Right" kill homosexuals?


j-mac
 
That blog holds as much credibility as something that is, well, not that credible. Okay, maybe my metaphor skills could use a little work.

That blog is an islamiphobist piece of garbage with no real use anywhere. And I'm not using Islamiphobist lightly here. It's pretty appropriate when talking about that blog.

I'd say it is what it is. The information can be looked up. Discredit the info if you'd like. The piece about the inventions is what I was after. If it's inaccurate please let us know.
 
Do muslims in this country kill homosexuals?

Isn't that a bit out there? You need to talk about Muslim's in their country, and what is acceptable. They'll go to jail for it here. They know the rules are different here.
 
As a whole, no. But some members of the Christian Right have.

And by the logic used by thse insulted by the Mosque, we can't have a Christian church anywhere near where homosexuals have bene killed. Thier beliefs have to be held against all Christinas / conservatives.
 
What kind of question is that? Preface it so disingenuously as you did, sorry dude, you have officially lost it.


j-mac

The reason I ask is, you love to tell us how awful Islam is. How it treats gays and so on.

But my point was... DO THEY DO IT HERE?

No? Good.
 
I'm finding it interesting that so many people are just fine with singling out the Muslims. It's like watching a cyber mob form, waving pitchforks, and fear-mongering.

It's ugly, and I don't understand. And I don't want to.
 
I'm finding it interesting that so many people are just fine with singling out the Muslims. It's like watching a cyber mob form, waving pitchforks, and fear-mongering.

It's ugly, and I don't understand. And I don't want to.

LOL Singling out the Muslims? How does that even make sense? Was Obama born to more than 2 parents?
 
Well, according to Amhadinjihad Iran has no homosexuals in it...Why do you think that is?

j-mac

What does that have to do with this community centre with a mosque inside it.

What happens in Muslim countries is their biggie, they wanna be backward, their choice...

But Muslims here have the right to believe and worship as they choose, as long as they do not impose it on anyone else.
 
Well, according to Amhadinjihad Iran has no homosexuals in it...Why do you think that is?

j-mac

Because achmanijack-o-lantern is a dumbass. I guarantee there are homosexuals in Iran.


Why do you think Ugandans recently tried to make homosexuality a capital offense?
 
Because achmanijack-o-lantern is a dumbass. I guarantee there are homosexuals in Iran.


Why do you think Ugandans recently tried to make homosexuality a capital offense?

I am just waiting for Amhadinjihad to come out as a closet homosexual. Amhadinjihad: "I just have a wide stance".
 
I think the majority of Muslims would just as soon live in peace.


But, it doesn't really matter, because the extremists are steering the ship, and peace is the last thing they want. Until "Muslim moderates" take back the control from the extremists, then yes Islam has to be viewed with a certain amount of suspicion.
 
I'm finding it interesting that so many people are just fine with singling out the Muslims. It's like watching a cyber mob form, waving pitchforks, and fear-mongering.

It's ugly, and I don't understand. And I don't want to.

You don't seem to have a problem when white people are singled out for everyone's problems. Why is that?
 
I think the majority of Muslims would just as soon live in peace.

I agree.

But, it doesn't really matter, because the extremists are steering the ship, and peace is the last thing they want. Until "Muslim moderates" take back the control from the extremists, then yes Islam has to be viewed with a certain amount of suspicion.

The problem is that we helped those extremists gain power, both advertently and inadvertently. A lot of what exists today is a result of cold war era interference.
 
I agree.



The problem is that we helped those extremists gain power, both advertently and inadvertently. A lot of what exists today is a result of cold war era interference.

Care to expand on that?
 
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