Harry Guerrilla
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Apostrophe dammit!
And spelling.
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Apostrophe dammit!
And spelling.
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Don't ask me how I know.
Personally, I think Obama's religion is the Church of Obama. I think his god is himself and his creed is his agenda and his own benefit.
I can almost see why 20% of Americans think he is Muslim, though. He spends more time praising Islam than almost anyone I know who isn't the leader of an Islamic nation.
He can call himself a Christian if he likes... you can call a tail a leg but that doesn't make it one, nor can you walk on it.
I solve this for everyone...Obama is probably an Atheist. People with his intelligence typically are.
Hell, he's a politician. Narcissism is a job requirement.Personally, I think Obama's religion is the Church of Obama. I think his god is himself and his creed is his agenda and his own benefit.
I can almost see why 20% of Americans think he is Muslim, though. He spends more time praising Islam than almost anyone I know who isn't the leader of an Islamic nation.
He can call himself a Christian if he likes... you can call a tail a leg but that doesn't make it one, nor can you walk on it.
I solve this for everyone...Obama is probably an Atheist. People with his intelligence typically are.
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Don't ask me how I know.
You do know that Kermit Roosevelt hatched Operation Ajax, which remved Mohommed Mosaddegh from power in Iran? 1953? google it. Mosaddegh was modern Iran's first (and last) democratically elected leader.
Then there was the CIA funding of the Ba'ath coup in Iraq. LINK
The US has been bollixing the politics of middle eastern countries, both covertly and overtly, for 3/4 of a century. Middle easterners have a right to be pissed off and untrusting of the US. If a foriegn country had covertly done to the US a fraction of the crap our government has pulled in the middle east, you'd be calling for a nuclear first strike.
I'd really like to know where you got your information. I'm pretty sure I know where you pulled it out of, but I'd like to see linked verification.
Actually, people with his intelligence typically run the gamut of religions. The nonsense above is just arrogant anti-theism.
I could be wrong but i'd say your typical Cum Laude Ivy League graduate is an Atheist.
One thing that's being glossed over in the coverage of this is the tendency of people to answer poll questions incorrectly on purpose when they feel strongly about an issue. I'll wager that a nontrivial portion of people who are opposed to Obama and said that they think he's a Muslim said so not because they actually believe he's a muslim, but because they think he's a bad person and want to comment negatively about him. Similarly, if you took a poll asking whether GWB was a christian, I bet that liberals would be more likely than conservatives to say that he's not a christian and is instead something else.
I suspect you are wrong, but you are welcome to try and document that claim.
This assumes that IQ is actually an accurate measurement of intelligence.It would be much easier if I had his official IQ score...it looks like the speculation online is that he is sitting somewhere near 150.
I don't have access to top secret information, but anybody other than the hopelessly naive would understand that we have intelligence operations that operate throughout this region and the world. Just because they don't want democracy doesn't mean they welcome dictators who rape and torture innocent people.
So you're saying we didn't install Efrain Montt? Well, this says we did. So do numerous other sources.
Honduras (Roberto Cordova) and Taiwan (Chiang Kai-shek), El Salvador (Cristiani), South Vietnam (Ngo Dinh Diem), and in Africa -- Liberia (Samuel Doe), Zaire (Mobuto Sese Seko) and Morocco (Hassan II).
Oh, we didn't install Noriega? He was officially contracted by the CIA in the 60s and still worked for them in 1983 when he rose to power. Yes we ousted him, but he was working for us when he became President... you don't think that's proof that there was direct US involvement? And you're saying the CIA turned a blind eye to his drug trafficking? We proposed paying him one million dollars to kill Nicaraguan insurgents for us. That's a little more than turning a blind eye.
Right, there's no proof of direct involvement. Only documents proving that the government was actively trying to prevent Allende from having power and massive financial interest from ITT who alledgedly funded the coup in part. And Nixon said this 3 years before the coup: "Make the economy scream [in Chile to] prevent Allende from coming to power or to unseat him." You can believe what you want to, I think the picture is pretty clear.
We only know so much. If America has consistently backed ruthless dictators for strategic reasons, they are certainly doing the same thing now. We engage in these tactics and the people who are affected by them lash back at us.
That's how it works. There's no excuse for killing innocent people, which is why I find Bin Laden's actions to be unacceptable, but it's also why I am quick to condemn the United States for their unethical actions. You willingly ignore the latter and that's why your opinions are not credible.
You're right, that makes it ok to kill them and declare the land ours.
And hell, most of them will die from disease... the diseases that the Europeans brought over with them during westward expansion. But that's not our fault either. If they didn't want to get sick, they shouldn't have been on the land we wanted.
Yes, we did force conversions. Most of that information is off-topic, but we definitely forced Native Americans to "Americanize" themselves and even had the official Office of Indian Affairs, founded in 1824, that handled such matters.
You can rewrite history, but I regret going to all this trouble to try to show you how naive and ignorant your statements are. You won't be persuaded by truth. You think that America has never installed a puppet dictator, Muslim terrorists are driven solely by religion and have no political basis for their hatred of us,
and you even believe that taking land from the Native Americans was justified.
It would be much easier if I had his official IQ score...it looks like the speculation online is that he is sitting somewhere near 150. I can assure you that the majority of people with an IQ that high are indeed non-believers.
To be clear, he was born a Muslim according to Muslim law.
-- Any children born to the wife will be considered Muslim. They will usually also be considered citizens of the father's country.
-- The husband's permission is always needed for the children to leave an Islamic country despite the fact that the children will also have, for example, American citizenship. Foreign immigration authorities can be expected to enforce these regulations. The ability of U.S. consular officers to aid an American woman who wishes to leave the country with her children is very limited.
International Divorce - Islamic Family Law
That doesn't mean he is now but his past history, some key remarks, his refusal to pick a church and attend on a regular basis fuel the rumor.
My personal opinion is that he is nothing in true life and joined the church and was baptized in it because he needed political backing. His apparent "catering" to Muslims stems from his history of living abroad amongst Muslims and his father's Muslim family.
It would be much easier if I had his official IQ score...it looks like the speculation online is that he is sitting somewhere near 150. I can assure you that the majority of people with an IQ that high are indeed non-believers.
Kinda seems that more Muslims are killed by these extremists than non-Muslims by a large large margin.
No this entire discussion started because of Christian and Muslim relations.
That is until you popped up with Muslims and India.
We aren't talking about that region or group which had an entirely different relationship.
Bull****.
Being a dhimmi was not totally played out like that.
You're adopting an entirely hardline concept and applying it to the whole.
Dawa was largely practiced in a particular region for the specific purpose of influencing their power base near Europe.
It was not a common practice through out the entire empire.
It is not ethnic cleanings.
They were not trying to homogenize the people, quite the opposite was true for the empire.
...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
– Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II
Yes that particular example is forced conversion but it in no way does not mean that the weren't intolerant of Christians.
No matter how hard you might try to paint the picture for that to be true.
Expulsion from a country for religiously prejudice reasons, is not the same as creating an economic heterogeneous population.
Bull ****.
They did it for economic reasons, not to cleanse the land of Christians.
Yes it is entirely different.
One is meant to harm a group, the other is meant for economic and civil structure reasons.
It did exist, you pull up occasional examples of intolerance and cite those as truth for the whole empire.
You're argument is based on exceptions and not the rule.
All the more reason they should come out in large, large numbers condemning the extremists.