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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Of course not all Muslims own slaves, just like not all American owned slaves, however the slave trade is very active among Muslim nations. Didn't you complain about someone making absolute statements not too long ago?

    V. Country Narratives -- Countries Q through Z
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Yeah. It's wiki, I know. But to claim that Christians invented everything and Muslims nothing is so childish, that wiki is source enough to disprove it.
    You are welcome to demonstate the error in wiki.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL nice rewriting of history there.... putting Christianity into a positive light and Muslims in a negative. The Dark Ages.. why were they the dark ages? Because Christianity ran amok in Europe killing off or exiling anyone with half a brain. They forced converted non Christians and banned non Christian texts. It was only because of brave people, Christian and non Christian, that the texts survived outside the cestpool called Christian Europe of the dark ages.
    Another anti-Christian rant. Actually, it was the non-Christian Vikings, Magyars and Arabs who were running amok through Europe during the 'Dark Ages' randomly pillaging and killing for about 300-400 years...
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Another anti-Christian rant. Actually, it was the non-Christian Vikings, Magyars and Arabs who were running amok through Europe during the 'Dark Ages' randomly pillaging and killing for about 300-400 years...
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

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    Both of you are right.
    Actually, it was the Catholic Church who PRESERVED books and learning during the Dark Ages while the Vikings, Magyars, and Arabs were running rampant through a divided and weakened Europe.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, it was the Catholic Church who PRESERVED books and learning during the Dark Ages while the Vikings, Magyars, and Arabs were running rampant through a divided and weakened Europe.
    It was the monasteries that were the educational hotbeds of the time. The monks were the only educated ones during this time. The monks, kept, and translated alot of knowledge from antiquity, and were the main historians during the Dark Ages. But the Catholic Church did persecute anyone who disagreed with them, and it wasn't uncommon when a country with a Catholic king conquered an area that it would force people(especially the pagans) to convert to Christianity under the penalty of death.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It was the monasteries that were the educational hotbeds of the time. The monks were the only educated ones during this time. The monks, kept, and translated alot of knowledge from antiquity, and were the main historians during the Dark Ages. But the Catholic Church did persecute anyone who disagreed with them, and it wasn't uncommon when a country with a Catholic king conquered an area that it would force people(especially the pagans) to convert to Christianity under the penalty of death.
    But the Dark Ages weren't caused by the Church. The Church was a stabilizing force in Europe. If a king forced people to convert, it wasn't the Church doing it. In fact, as far back as the end of the 5th century, popes clearly stated that there were two realms -- political and spiritual and that the two should remain separate. The Church had little control over the actions of kings from the fall of Rome through the next five centuries...
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Is it just me, or has this thread strayed so far from its original premise that it is nearly unrecognizable as to what we should be discussing.

    Look, I don't think that Obama is a practicing Muslim. He is a follower of Black Liberation Theology. Which BTW libs, doesn't make him a Christian like he claims either.

    He is sympathetic to Islam in the sense that he is coward by them, and that coupled with his world view that America is ignoble in the world fits in with his weak approach to what Islam wants to do with America.

    In the end, Obama is a danger to the world as long as he fails to realize that Americas power is the only, last, best stop to the modern caliphate that Islam is currently engaged in. As long as his world view of American decline is realized, the West loses.


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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But the Dark Ages weren't caused by the Church. The Church was a stabilizing force in Europe. If a king forced people to convert, it wasn't the Church doing it. In fact, as far back as the end of the 5th century, popes clearly stated that there were two realms -- political and spiritual and that the two should remain separate. The Church had little control over the actions of kings from the fall of Rome through the next five centuries...
    The Dark Ages started because Western Rome fell, which is a reason for it being "dark". Also the plague was a huge factor, the church certainly did help with it being "dark", because they oppressed any opposing view point. Also to say that Popes didn't have any say in what Kings did is false. Popes had tremendous power, and could force kings to do things under the threat of excommunication. The Church, and politics were one in the same. There were many factors that made the dark ages "dark", it wasn't just one thing.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The Dark Ages started because Western Rome fell, which is a reason for it being "dark". Also the plague was a huge factor, the church certainly did help with it being "dark", because they oppressed any opposing view point. Also to say that Popes didn't have any say in what Kings did is false. Popes had tremendous power, and could force kings to do things under the threat of excommunication. The Church, and politics were one in the same. There were many factors that made the dark ages "dark", it wasn't just one thing.
    Is Islam intertwined with politics in the countries it is practiced today?


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