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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Bereal View Post
    Are you going to attack the Amish next?
    Funny you should mention that, because the Park51 folks did exactly that:

    Blogger says Ground Zero Mosque

    Amish saying stop Muslims? 1. What are you doing on the computer? 2. That’s not very Amish 3. Shouldn’t you be making butter?
    So, whatever it's appropos of, there it is.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    You're really digging aren't you? We live in a free country, go find this freedom in Muslim countries.
    No, I'm not digging at all. Freedom of religion. Muslims are everywhere, you can't say Muslim countries and say that's how things are, that's who they are and what they do.

    By the way? My niece-in-law is Muslim, as is one of my business partners.

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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    I think that in some cases Muslims are just getting a lot of negativity because of their actions and inactions. They haven't been vocal enough against Sharia Law, jihad, you know that they have problems with violence. I also know Christians have had such problems, but they've advanced since their beginnings. Muslims don't seem to have advanced. I really don't see why we can't tell them that they need to get rid of their negative treatment of women. They are keeping a lot of negative laws that should have been disavowed long ago. Really, even if they call it a religion, when it's wrong, it's wrong.
    Christians advanced when they were lucky enough to have a few societal leaders choose to remove religion from government. Unfortuently Islam has not had such inspirational leaders come forward yet in the ME. Those Muslims in power know that they will lose their power once religion is removed from the mix and the government handed to the will of the people.

    Christianity was able to make this leap globally rather quickly because there was ONE recognized authority at the time, the Vatican, to strike against. Islam however doesn't have one authority. Every country has their own so every country must do this individually and the first country to do it may be seen as weak and most likely attacked by the others.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post


    The reason christians may have 'advanced' is because of those of us who are not christians. Don't give your religion credit where it deserves none. Secularism is everything you have to be happy for. Also, read a book on islam or something. Please. At least wikipedia. Dont generalise the anti-woman laws of a few arab countries for 1.5 million muslims.
    You need to read a few books, not I.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    You need to read a few books, not I.
    Are you saying you have already read everything he just aimed you at, or are you operating from a place of willful ignorance.

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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    I throw apostrophes, commas around carelessly, hoping I get them right. Most people seem to have always ignored it. Apparently you have an intolerance towards this misuse.

    I think that in some cases Muslims are just getting a lot of negativity because of their actions and inactions. They haven't been vocal enough against Sharia Law, jihad, you know that they have problems with violence. I also know Christians have had such problems, but they've advanced since their beginnings. Muslims don't seem to have advanced. I really don't see why we can't tell them that they need to get rid of their negative treatment of women. They are keeping a lot of negative laws that should have been disavowed long ago. Really, even if they call it a religion, when it's wrong, it's wrong.
    I think that there is a tendency to confuse religion with culture. They can be intertwined but they are not the same thing. All successful religions adapt to local customs and traditions (e.g., Christmas is based on a pagan festival). This makes it easier for the religion to spread. However, a religion should not be condemned because of the actions of the people of that faith.

    We should note that, throughout recorded history, people have used their belief in God or gods to justify doing some really horrible things to other people. The inquisition and the Crusades are examples of how people used their Christianity to impose themselves on other people in some really nasty ways. What you attribute to growth of the religion is, I think, a maturing of a culture in spite of, not because of, religion. There is a large area of the world that have not culturally matured. That part of the world just happens to be predominately Muslim. It may be that the culture hasn’t matured because of economics rather than because of their faith. We know that faith can prevent a society from maturing (the Dark Ages) and that might be what is preventing the so-called Muslim world from advancing. It could also be the fact that the societies are economically and technologically “backwards” and that is what shapes their thinking and makes them seem so radical to us.

    Anyway, just because someone uses religion as “justification” for doing bad things to us (things they were going to do anyway), it probably is not a good idea for us to use religion (theirs or ours) as our justification for doing bad things to them.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Christians advanced when they were lucky enough to have a few societal leaders choose to remove religion from government. Unfortuently Islam has not had such inspirational leaders come forward yet in the ME. Those Muslims in power know that they will lose their power once religion is removed from the mix and the government handed to the will of the people.

    Christianity was able to make this leap globally rather quickly because there was ONE recognized authority at the time, the Vatican, to strike against. Islam however doesn't have one authority. Every country has their own so every country must do this individually and the first country to do it may be seen as weak and most likely attacked by the others.
    It's always been Christian leadership and brains. I don't think it was luck. Where have all the great minds and inventions come from?

    All the Catholic leaders were highly educated. Not just anybody can be a priest.

    In other words, it ain't gonna happen for Muslims.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    It's always been Christian leadership and brains. I don't think it was luck. Where have all the great minds and inventions come from?

    All the Catholic leaders were highly educated. Not just anybody can be a priest.

    In other words, it ain't gonna happen for Muslims.
    Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Franklin, Washington, Jefferson were leaders in the Christian church? Were they Bishops or Cardinals?

    What happened for Christians was that you had people like Queen Elizabath I who started the removal of the church from governmental power because they didn't want to be puppets of the Church. These were people outside ofthe norm that wanted the Christian church removed from the government. In terms of America we had the founding fathers who specifically removed religion from governmental matters.

    Islam has not had anyone successfully do this yet and would be difficult for them to do. They don't have the luxury of having monarchal rule and low population levels like Elizabeth or starting a brand new country like the founding fathers. They have thousands of years of traditional Islamic law and a population in the hundreds of millions.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Franklin, Washington, Jefferson were leaders in the Christian church? Were they Bishops or Cardinals?
    I don't think she said they were leaders in the church, only that they were Christians and leaders.

    Gallileo was a devout Catholic (and the Church didn't even have it out for him, only Bellarmine did).

    Newton was one of the very first to postulate that the Earth was 6000 years old based on the Bible.

    Einstein wasn't Christian, obviously, but he was religious.

    Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson were Christians, whatever qualifiers you want to put on it.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Franklin, Washington, Jefferson were leaders in the Christian church? Were they Bishops or Cardinals?
    Wasn't the part about the priests in a different paragraph. Did you get the point? Lots of very educated Christians. It wasn't just luck.
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