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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

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    They didn't let them all live...LOL!!!!

    I guess you're going to excuse the Holocuast, because this isn't a perfect world? or, 9/11, because this isn't a perfect world? Should we be lucky they didn't kill even more Americans on 9/11?
    Good lord.

    The Ottomans were the main perps of the Holocaust and 9/11?
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Good lord.

    The Ottomans were the main perps of the Holocaust and 9/11?
    There ya go, putting words in my mouth, again.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Dude, there is nothing perfect in this world.

    From a historical standpoint, the Ottomans were a wild and crazy bunch.
    The let other religions live side by side with the state religion.

    They let them live, see in Europe you would be dead or expelled.
    Those Christians didn't like the competition to their power.
    They let them live as Dhimmi's and that was only for fellows of the book IE Christians and Jews not Pagans. And prove your assertion regarding all non-Christians being expelled or killed from Europe during that time. They had pogroms but similar events occured within the various Islamic empires as well.

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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

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    They let them live as Dhimmi's and that was only for fellows of the book IE Christians and Jews not Pagans. And prove your assertion regarding all non-Christians being expelled or killed from Europe during that time. They had pogroms but similar events occured within the various Islamic empires as well.
    The facts are that religious tolerance was expressed more in a Muslim country than it was in Christian countries of that time.

    Your choice, to live as a Dhimmi (with all the same or similar rights as a regular citizen) or be killed, expelled, treated as a second class citizen (comparatively speaking)?
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There ya go, putting words in my mouth, again.
    You brought up the Holocaust and 9/11, something that the Ottomans had no hand in.

    Some Muslims participated on the side of the Axis and 19 Muslims committed the attack on 9/11, so all Muslims are bad?
    Is that what you're saying?
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The facts are that religious tolerance was expressed more in a Muslim country than it was in Christian countries of that time.

    Your choice, to live as a Dhimmi (with all the same or similar rights as a regular citizen) or be killed, expelled, treated as a second class citizen (comparatively speaking)?
    That couldn't be farther from the truth.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Never heard of the Russian Orthodox Church, huh?
    Never heard what Stalin did to the Russian Orthodox church, huh?







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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That couldn't be farther from the truth.
    Sorry champ, it is the truth.
    Your inability to accept history for what is was, is the problem.

    You've presented no evidence to counter my sources.
    Do yourself a favor and turn off the partisan talking points, read a book or two, not authored by a hack talk radio personality.
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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by GayLibertarian View Post
    * He bows to the King of Saudi Arabia during his state visit.
    So did GWB:

    Nixon bowed to Emporer Hirohito - you remember: the guy that allowed the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

    Eisenhower bowed to DeGaulle:


    But it's no big deal. It's called a diplomatic courtesy, and in many countries around the world (including Saudi Arabia) not bowing to someone when you meet them is considered a deep personal insult. Americans still do it too. For convoluted reasons having nothing to do with my prsonal status, I am invited to attend several events each year that are also attended by the "moneyed society" and the political movers and shakers in East Tennessee. Guess what? They still often bow to each other when they are first introduced, especially when a man is introduced to a woman. It's this old-fashioned fuddy-duddy thing called manners.

    * He told the NYT that the sound of the Islamic "call to prayer was the prettiest sound in the world."

    That is a deliberate mis-quote, bordering on an outright lie. Wat he said was:

    one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.
    Obama: Man of the World - The New York Times

    NOT "the prettiest sound." There is a world of difference, and your deliberate mis-quote is intellectually dishonest.

    * He does not go to church - he has no "home church" in D.C.
    Neither did Ronald Reagan.

    * He jettisoned Rev. Wright when Wright's anti-Semitic comments became "politically toxic."
    So you're saying he should have kept him on as a pastor and spiritual adviser? Look, I have friends that say some pretty nasty stuff. Stuff that offends me. I have told them that. But I've been friends with them since I was learning to walk. We don't hang out and drink beer together, but I'm still glad to hear from them when we talk. We are old friends of MANY years standing. Personal relationships are not black and white.

    * He calls Christ's Sermon on the Mount, "the most outrageous statement I have ever heard" - angering *millions* of Christians.

    OK, unless you show evidence on-point, I'm calling this one an outright, bald-faced lie. Obama has cited the Sermon on the Mount on more than one occasion. What pissed off the christian right was him saying:

    "I don't think it [a same-sex union] should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state," said Obama. "If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans."
    A far cry indeed from your bilge. What he said on another occasion was that the Sermon on the Mount was "radical." But it certainly didn't seem to anger Daniel Burke, a reporter for the Religion News Service, as he reported in Christianity Today. You might take a cue from his objectivity.

    * He supports the Ground Zero Mosque.

    As he should. He HAS to. He can say that it's in poor taste (it is). He can say it is in poor judgment (it is). He can say that he personally wouldn't have made that choice. But he cannot come out against it for two reasons.

    The first is that like it or not, we have to do business in the Muslim world. A Muslim world that already viewed America as poisonously anti-Muslim for decades before 9/11. Many of our goods have to pass through the Suez Canal en route to eastern markets. Our navy must have access to that canal in order to prosecute the war in Afghanistan. It's bad enough that they are in harm's way from terrorist attack as they ply the Gulf of Aden between Somalia and Yemen. Why extend that danger another 1500 miles to the Med? Overflights of Turkey are an integral part of the strategy in Iraq, even now that the combat brigades are all out. Should we encourage Iran to get even more frisky in the Mid-East? We import more than 1.3 billion barrels of oil annually from Muslim nations. If they hike the price our economic recovery, tepid and meager as it has been, is a wistful memory.

    The second it this:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
    The mosque is on private property and has the proper zoning ordinances. Game, set, match. Neither the government or its leaders/authorities can do anything else without probable cause. Is this one of those situations where you defend the Constitution to the death in support of YOUR rights, but when another's rights are abridged you shrug your shoulders and say "well, I didn't like him anyway?" Some Libertarian you are. Either the rights enumerated in the Constitution apply equally to everyone, or they apply to no-one. None of your arguments stand up to reason, logic, evidence, or Constitutionality.

    All that added up = Obama is a Muslim.
    Actually all that added up = YOU FAIL

    The American people are not stupid:
    Obviously some are. Obviously some are also dishonest.

    they know where Obama's heart is. Its in Mecca.
    And you know that because you opened up his chest and looked? Bulls**t. The only person that really knows where Obama's heart is is Obama. Any statement to the contrary is just inflammatory diarrhea of the mouth.

    But GET A SET OF BALLS and COME OUT as a Muslim.
    You need to get a set of balls and come out as a hypocrite. You are willing to cavalierly toss aside the rights of others while demanding those self-same rights (assembly, speech, private property, etc) for yourself.

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    Re: Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many Muslims took the field to destroy al-Qaeda? Care to list them? All I saw was talk after 9/11.
    i'm sorry, are you completely ignorant of the role Afghan troops are playing in Afghanistan? and they're certainly not Zoroastrians.
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    And all the little pigs have God

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