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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Indeed, how much did it cost? $1,000 billions? Isn't that around $3 millions/American?




    What victory?

    Find WMD's? They never existed!
    Spread democracy? Iraq is still one of the most corrupted country on earth, it's not a democracy today and it's not likely that they'll ever be a democracy!
    Bring security? Iraq has never been a threat to the USA and dozens of Iraqi civilians are killed every week! How many died on this week's terror attack?

    So if you think it's still a victory, please define "victory"!
    Wars don't wrap up in a neat little package like Halo.

    Unless you want to break out the nukes.

    We won't know for a long time.

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

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    He has a show? I thought he only did half time for Sunday Night Football.
    Not anymore. He got fired because of all the complaints from sane football fans.

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The total cost of the war in Iraq is less that the -increase- in entitlement spending in The Obama's first year in office.
    Still a lot, especially when you see the results

    The one where the threat that was Saddam was eliminated
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    anf Iraq was left as a self-standing democracy.
    116 Iraq 4.00 Hybrid regime Parliamentary Republic
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    They're 116 out of 167 and if they had 0.01 point less it would be considered as "authoritarian". But if you compare with friendly allies like Kuwait (129 ; 3.39 ;Authoritarian regime) or Saudi Arabia (161 ; 1.90 Authoritarian regime ; Islamic absolute monarchy), yeah I guess you can nearly call Iraq "democratic"

    However if you compare the civil rights, Iraqi are even less free than Iranians!!!!
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    As for corruption, only Afghanistan and Somalia score less than our cherished Iraqi democracy
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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    They're 116 out of 167 and if they had 0.01 point less it would be considered as "authoritarian". But if you compare with friendly allies like Kuwait (129 ; 3.39 ;Authoritarian regime) or Saudi Arabia (161 ; 1.90 Authoritarian regime ; Islamic absolute monarchy), yeah I guess you can nearly call Iraq "democratic"

    However if you compare the civil rights, Iraqi are even less free than Iranians!!!!
    Freedom in the World (report) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As for corruption, only Afghanistan and Somalia score less than our cherished Iraqi democracy
    Corruption Perceptions Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I'll wager that most proponents of Iraqi democracy aren't resting their hopes on its current situation, but rather what it could become over time.


    edit: Moreover, I don't think the relevant comparison is current Iraq to its current neighbors, but current Iraq to pre-war Iraq. According to Freedom House, it's substantially more free today than it was in 2002.
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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    THis is supposed to be a thoughtful response to what I said?
    I overestimated you. My apologies. It wont happen again.

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'll wager that most proponents of Iraqi democracy aren't resting their hopes on its current situation, but rather what it could become over time.


    edit: Moreover, I don't think the relevant comparison is current Iraq to its current neighbors, but current Iraq to pre-war Iraq. According to Freedom House, it's substantially more free today than it was in 2002.
    How could there be more progress in the future than there have been in 7 years under US occupation? In order to have democracy you need stability, and they're more than likely to sink into a civil war.

    As for the comparison with some neighboring countries, it's to show the hypocrisy of invading a country under the pretext of "spreading democracy" while your best ally in the region is the most dictatorial regime in the world, next to North Korea.

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    THis is supposed to be a thoughtful response to what I said?
    I overestimated you. My apologies. It wont happen again.
    I can write it down for you then: why did the USA invade Iraq under the pretext that Saddam was a threat, while he is one of the few countries in the M/E that had absolutely nothing to do with the 911 terror attacks?

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    I can write it down for you then: why did the USA invade Iraq under the pretext that Saddam was a threat, while he is one of the few countries in the M/E that had absolutely nothing to do with the 911 terror attacks?
    LOL, when was THAT proven?

    When you give someone almost a year of advanced notice while you beg and plead the UN to follow through after Hussein's repeated dismissals of their inspection requirements........you can move WMD anywhere you want. You can make them virtually disappear.

    One day, we'll know the truth in all of this...maybe. Right now, we don't.

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    How could there be more progress in the future than there have been in 7 years under US occupation? In order to have democracy you need stability, and they're more than likely to sink into a civil war.
    At least we'll have a good launching pad when we attack Iran.

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