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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You seem disappointed that it wasn't.
    And, back on Earth . . .


    I'm saying the combat phase of the war is over. HOORAY!!!!


    Yes, that was said before. In fact, there are pictures:



    Which is MY point.
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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And, back on Earth . . .
    Say, is that the Starship Enterprise in your avatar?



    Yes, that was said before. In fact, there are pictures:



    Which is MY point.
    LOL Your point is taken. Now show me the combat brigade withdrawal that went that "mission accomplished".

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It's been over since 2008, when we transitioned security to the Iraqis.
    Seems like they've been trying to transition security to the Iraqis since 2005.
    IRAQ: Training Iraqi Forces - Council on Foreign Relations

    Guess they didn't want to leave Iraq without a plan for withdrawal, like they did in Vietnam....
    Training to leave a war, however, is a delicate mission.

    Retired Gen. John Hendrix, who used to command the 3rd Infantry Division and the Army's Forces Command, said military planners probably did not have a good idea of what would happen when U.S. troops pulled out of Saigon in April 1975, months before the North Vietnamese takeover.

    Military historians say the Army's overall strategy during the Vietnam War failed precisely because it did not understand the nature of the society. It's not a lesson the Army wants to repeat in Iraq, with its rich oil fields and strategic location in the Mideast that will be an important U.S. interest for years to come.

    "We never got at the strategic problem in Vietnam. We were not nearly as prepared then as we are now," Hendrix said in an interview. "When that decision was made, we didn't have nearly as good a plan as how we were going to come out. These guys do have a little bit more of a challenge — they'll do the last handshake and the Iraqis will look around and there'll be no one there." ....."
    Army's new mission: To exit Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com

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    Re: Last US Combat Troops Leave Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Anyone want to start a pool on how long it will be, before we go back in, full bore, with a brand new batch of shavetails, to start all over from scratch?

    Then, when the letters are written to their families, expressing the deepest regrets that their baby died on some far away battlefield, it can be included, "If we had only stayed and done things right, vice giving into someone's political agenda".
    If you really believe this, and don't want us to go back in, start howling when you see the pre-war signs, similar to these:

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Say, is that the Starship Enterprise in your avatar?
    Actually, no. But close.

    LOL Your point is taken. Now show me the combat brigade withdrawal that went that "mission accomplished".
    The point is (I almost wrote "the point is, Moot"), declaring combat over is another Mission Accomplished moment, because there will be more combat. They don't care what we call those troops; they're troops; they'll be attacked. There will almost certainly be more combat casualties. And then, the natural question will be, "wasn't combat over? Didn't all the combat troops leave?"
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    Re: Last US Combat Troops Leave Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    We left many Vietnamese troops and civilians who were our allies without any means of protecting themselves to die at the hands of the Vietcong .

    Well, for one thing the 50,000 left behind are not all or just military troops. Some, if not most are advisors, trainers, civilians, negotiators, planners, co-ordinators, teachers, experts, diplomats, liasons, translators, and whatever and whoever is needed to help Iraqi's build a new government for themselves. For another thing, the 50K are under the State Department control, not the DoD, and the State Department gets a fraction of the funding compared to the military. So the notion they are left behind to merely engage the enemy is nonsense. For if there were still an enemy to engage, the combat troops wouldn't have left, let alone leave EARLY. Yes, there it is going to still be violence, but the violence is directed at the Iraqis by Iraqis and it will the Iraqi forces who will have to deal with it. It is estimated that every week, 150 Iraqis are joining the Iraqi forces.

    Building a new government with many competing interests doesn't happen over night, so we can not expect instant results. They will have to build a coalition government and that takes time. But it has only been seven months since their last election and it took the Dutch at least nine months to build their coalition government. So be patient, child.
    When we left Saigon, there were zero US military troops left behind.
    When we "left" Iraq, there were 50,000 US military troops "left behind."


    You can pretend that we're out of Iraq if you want, but that's not reality.
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    Re: Last US Combat Troops Leave Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    When we left Saigon, there were zero US military troops left behind.
    When we "left" Iraq, there were 50,000 US military troops "left behind."


    You can pretend that we're out of Iraq if you want, but that's not reality.
    Well, that's probably a good point, because I don't think we will ever fully leave Iraq anymore than we left Germany, Japan or S. Korea. But we aren't still engaging in combat there, now are we? Btw, did you know we are conducting military exercises with the Vietnamese? Seems to have slipped past the media radar....

    US, Vietnam display military ties amid warnings from China - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos

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    Re: Last US Combat Troops Leave Iraq

    We're not out of Iraq. We shouldn't pretend we are. We're following step by step through the Bush outline for this and as long as the plan remains intact and Obama follows within the guidelines the Bush created and agreed upon plan laid out we will be out of Iraq; by the end of 2011

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    You know, I have been following this discussion, and something really stands out. There are still plenty of troops in Iraq, and the numbers mentioned do not include the thousands of private contractors that are also still there.

    We went into Iraq on lies. Is our exit from Iraq also based on lies?

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    Re: Last US Combat Troops Leave Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    We're not out of Iraq. We shouldn't pretend we are.....
    Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You can pretend that we're out of Iraq if you want, but that's not reality.
    Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    We went into Iraq on lies. Is our exit from Iraq also based on lies?
    Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Actually, no. But close.
    The point is (I almost wrote "the point is, Moot"), declaring combat over is another Mission Accomplished moment, because there will be more combat. They don't care what we call those troops; they're troops; they'll be attacked. There will almost certainly be more combat casualties. And then, the natural question will be, "wasn't combat over? Didn't all the combat troops leave?"
    Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq. You want to nit pic and say there will still be violence and insurgent attacks, fine. Nobody is saying there won't be. The point is, the combat phase is over and the 50K that are left are there for support. hooray.
    Last edited by Moot; 08-21-10 at 04:24 PM.

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