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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No, probably not as momentus as Saigon. But at least we left with some dignity and didn't leave tens of thousands behind to get slaughtered.
    The point is that we didn't "leave." There are 50,000 troops in Iraq that are heavily armed and will continue to shoot and be shot at. There will still be casualties. There will still be tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars spent on the war.

    How many troops did we leave behind when we left Saigon?
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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The point is that we didn't "leave." There are 50,000 troops in Iraq that are heavily armed and will continue to shoot and be shot at. There will still be casualties. There will still be tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars spent on the war.

    How many troops did we leave behind when we left Saigon?
    We left many Vietnamese troops and civilians who were our allies without any means of protecting themselves to die at the hands of the Vietcong .

    Well, for one thing the 50,000 left behind are not all or just military troops. Some, if not most are advisors, trainers, civilians, negotiators, planners, co-ordinators, teachers, experts, diplomats, liasons, translators, and whatever and whoever is needed to help Iraqi's build a new government for themselves. For another thing, the 50K are under the State Department control, not the DoD, and the State Department gets a fraction of the funding compared to the military. So the notion they are left behind to merely engage the enemy is nonsense. For if there were still an enemy to engage, the combat troops wouldn't have left, let alone leave EARLY. Yes, there it is going to still be violence, but the violence is directed at the Iraqis by Iraqis and it will the Iraqi forces who will have to deal with it. It is estimated that every week, 150 Iraqis are joining the Iraqi forces.

    Building a new government with many competing interests doesn't happen over night, so we can not expect instant results. They will have to build a coalition government and that takes time. But it has only been seven months since their last election and it took the Dutch at least nine months to build their coalition government. So be patient, child.

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Well, for one thing the 50,000 left behind are not all or just military troops.
    There are 50K+ troops still there. Armed.
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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There are 50K+ troops still there. Armed.
    I am armed too and I live in America. They have the right to protect themselves just the same as you and I do. Iraq is probably no more violent than the US.

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I am armed too and I live in America. They have the right to protect themselves just the same as you and I do. Iraq is probably no more violent than the US.
    That's nice. They're 50K+ armed military troops.
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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's nice. They're 50K+ armed military troops.
    Yes, 50K armed military troops....it would be stupid to leave them unarmed, don't you think?

    Last full U.S. combat brigade leaves Iraq

    "...Obama said, about 50,000 U.S. troops will remain in the country, in a non-combat role providing support and training for the Iraqi military....."
    Last full U.S. combat brigade pulls out of Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com
    Last edited by Moot; 08-20-10 at 08:45 PM.

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, 50K armed military troops....it would be stupid to leave them unarmed, don't you think?

    Last full U.S. combat brigade leaves Iraq

    "...Obama said, about 50,000 U.S. troops will remain in the country, in a non-combat role providing support and training for the Iraqi military....."
    Last full U.S. combat brigade pulls out of Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com
    Do you even remember what you're arguing anymore?

    According to you . . .

    First, we weren't leaving anyone behind.

    Then we were leaving behind a few troops, but mostly civilians, advisors, etc.

    Now, we're leaving behind troops.

    And you've come full circle and posted something everyone in the thread is already fully aware of.

    So, seriously -- what exactly are you saying?
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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Do you even remember what you're arguing anymore?

    According to you . . .

    First, we weren't leaving anyone behind.
    Thats not what I said and that isn't my argument.

    Then we were leaving behind a few troops, but mostly civilians, advisors, etc.
    Yes, I did say that because many of the troops are also advisors, trainers, translators, negotiators, support, etc.

    Now, we're leaving behind troops.
    Yes. But we aren't leaving them behind to get slaughtered and the exit of the last combat brigade was not anything like the fall of Saigon. You seem disappointed that it wasn't.

    And you've come full circle and posted something everyone in the thread is already fully aware of.
    Sorry, you must have my argument confused with your own circular argument.

    So, seriously -- what exactly are you saying?
    I'm saying the combat phase of the war is over. HOORAY!!!!

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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    This is the ol' let's leave some troops there but call it a peace keeping operation so we can get votes and credit for pulling out of Iraq even though we didn't.
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    Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I'm saying the combat phase of the war is over. HOORAY!!!!
    It's been over since 2008, when we transitioned security to the Iraqis.

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