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    Re: Decision Not to Rebuild Church Destroyed on 9/11 Surprises Greek Orthodox Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    I do. Considering this isn't even a Mosque, but a 13 story cultural center with the top two floors reserved for prayers, I don't think this will be the beacon of radicalism.
    Hamas has come out in favor of it. Not all liberals are human shields for our enemies though.

    Surprisingly Howard Dean has now come out against it too. Go Figure.

    Edit to add~ He lives there though doesn't he?
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    Re: Decision Not to Rebuild Church Destroyed on 9/11 Surprises Greek Orthodox Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    Hamas has come out in favor of it. Not all liberals are human shields for our enemies though.

    Surprisingly Howard Dean has now come out against it too. Go Figure.

    Edit to add~ He lives there though doesn't he?
    Howard Dean's argument against it is that it is too soon. And I don't care what Hamas thinks in this situation. In all reality, they are probably using reverse psychology to try to get us to not build it. If we don't build it, they have a recruitment tool. They can just go around and say "Hey, the US isn't willing to respect our religion, let's pervert that and have you blow up and kill some innocent people." The "Mosque" being built would actually probably hurt Hamas more then it would help them.
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    Re: Decision Not to Rebuild Church Destroyed on 9/11 Surprises Greek Orthodox Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And of course you see it that way.

    And with so many like you, completely spineless and tied in intellectually meaningless political knots on every issue, the beginning of the end of this great nation has begun.

    We didn't get to this point laying down and taking it like this. And we won't stay here long that way either.
    Ok I didn't read the whole thread. Got to this post and just had to respond.

    Here's the deal.

    Those building the mosque has gotten all the permits to build. They are with in zoning laws to build where they are going to. They have the same right to build there as you do. More actually since they have the permits. But if you did have the permits then you'd both have the same rights.

    The Greek Orthodox Church was trying to get bigger land and money from the Port Authority in NY. Negotiations fell through. Much like would happen with any other business etc etc. They are however free to rebuild on the plot of land they already own.

    *sigh*

    Most of the problem that people have with the building of the mosque is that it was muslim extremists that destroyed the towers. They are allowing their prejudices to interfere with what is a Right that is available to anyone that has jumped through the hoops of getting permits.

    Is it a slap in the face for them to be building a mosque at that location? Hell yes. But denying them the right that anyone else has is a slap at our Constitution also. Our Constitution is about individual rights. If we deny them the ability to build their mosque there then we are in essence no better than the terrorists that took out the Towers. What makes it worse is that the terrorists WANT us to disregard what this country is built on. That way they can just point at us and say "See? They are nothing but liars." And you can be sure that is exactly how they will react.

    So do you want to show them that we are truely Americans who believe in individual rights and freedom of religion? Or do you want to show them that we are Americans that only believe in individual rights and freedom of religion when it suits us?
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    Re: Decision Not to Rebuild Church Destroyed on 9/11 Surprises Greek Orthodox Leaders

    Ya know, this whole Mosque thing is a little bit crazy. I mean, do people support tossing out the occupants of the EXISTING MOSQUE 530 YARDS FROM GROUND ZERO?



    I understand the uneasyness about establishing a mosque near GZ. People insist that the Constitution is inviolate. It's time to put your money where your mouth is, because for freedoms and rights to truly exist, it means that someone or someones have the exact same rights as anyone else, even if those rights make you uncomfortable. The First Amendment says:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
    It doesn't say "if you are a Christian" or "if you believe what the majority of the rest of the country believes" or "Muslims excepted." It says religion. Period. No qualifiers, no exceptions, no predujices.

    Mr. V: You want the church built? YOU PAY FOR IT. Buy the land and donate it. Surely a staunch conservative like yourself isn't advocating the use of 60 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS to fund an exercise that flies in the face of the establishment clause, are you? ARE YOU?

    Sharif el-Gamel purchased the Park Pl. property and donated it to the Mosque. Are you willing to do the same for the Greek Orthodox Church? Or are you going to keep spewing propaganda? You preach small-government/leave me alone/don't tread on me/Obama is a socialist/the stimulus was B.S./cut my taxes, yet you want 60 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS to be spent on what is - CONSTITUTIONALLY - not a government concern. How very liberal of you.

    You stepped off of the curb without looking, and are now splattered across the windshield of the Double-Standard Express.
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    Re: Decision Not to Rebuild Church Destroyed on 9/11 Surprises Greek Orthodox Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by prrriiide View Post
    Ya know, this whole Mosque thing is a little bit crazy. I mean, do people support tossing out the occupants of the EXISTING MOSQUE 530 YARDS FROM GROUND ZERO?





    I understand the uneasyness about establishing a mosque near GZ. People insist that the Constitution is inviolate. It's time to put your money where your mouth is, because for freedoms and rights to truly exist, it means that someone or someones have the exact same rights as anyone else, even if those rights make you uncomfortable. The First Amendment says:



    It doesn't say "if you are a Christian" or "if you believe what the majority of the rest of the country believes" or "Muslims excepted." It says religion. Period. No qualifiers, no exceptions, no predujices.

    Mr. V: You want the church built? YOU PAY FOR IT. Buy the land and donate it. Surely a staunch conservative like yourself isn't advocating the use of 60 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS to fund an exercise that flies in the face of the establishment clause, are you? ARE YOU?

    Sharif el-Gamel purchased the Park Pl. property and donated it to the Mosque. Are you willing to do the same for the Greek Orthodox Church? Or are you going to keep spewing propaganda? You preach small-government/leave me alone/don't tread on me/Obama is a socialist/the stimulus was B.S./cut my taxes, yet you want 60 MILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS to be spent on what is - CONSTITUTIONALLY - not a government concern. How very liberal of you.

    You stepped off of the curb without looking, and are now splattered across the windshield of the Double-Standard Express.
    There are mosques in Los Angeles, which is only 2,443 miles from Ground Zero. They must go.
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