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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    That makes no sense whatsoever.

    These folks who so narrowly read the First Amendment always amuse me. Imagine if they read the Second Amendment this narrowly.
    I see this guy's case as an attention-getting . . . he made up some stories an got attention and affection. . . just like countless people who lie about having medical disorders and family issues to get compassion, a date, etc.

    This is *wrong* in my opinion - but not horrid - thus - wrong but not a legal issue.

    What would be *wrong* and what I would expect to be persecuted - is if someone lied about those benefits or awards in order to fleece the system - any system - such as applying for loans, getting a loan reduction, qualifying for medical care and so on.

    See - to me there's a huge difference in *the lie* - it's not *the lie itself* but it's how the person used it and their intent behind maintaining the lie.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    We may not like the speech, but it is the First Amendment. I would rather allow distasteful speech rather than starting to decide what we will accept and what we won't. This guy is a scumbag, but the Constitution protects them too...
    Wearing a medal to which you are not entitled is no different than wearing a uniform to which you are not entitled, which is certainly not an issue of free speech. And as Dana points out, it is already illegal and acceptably so to impersonate an officer of the law or a member of our armed services-- a prohibition which can and should easily be extended to claiming to be a former member.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Question,

    If people donated to his campaign fund based in part on the belief he was a medal of honor winner, would you no consider that conning people out of money?
    Possibly, but there are already laws on the books to deal with such situations that have nothing to do specifically with claiming to be a Medal of Honor winner...
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So you are against Hate Crime Legislation too? Just out of curiosity.
    I, for one, am against Hate Crime legislation.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I didn't declare a defamation in this particular case, rather, I was using it as one of the unprotected usages of speech/expression. Sorry for any confusion. His benefit gained is a greater standing in the electorate by using medals he hasn't earned to falsely bolster his reputation. That is fraud and many fraud cases do in fact carry criminal penalties as well as tort liabilitites.
    And there are already laws on the books dealing with this...
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Wearing a medal to which you are not entitled is no different than wearing a uniform to which you are not entitled, which is certainly not an issue of free speech. And as Dana points out, it is already illegal and acceptably so to impersonate an officer of the law or a member of our armed services-- a prohibition which can and should easily be extended to claiming to be a former member.
    Is he wearing a medal, or just claiming he has one???

    And if it is already illegal, why is this Congressional Act needed?
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Is he wearing a medal, or just claiming he has one???
    In the practical sense, what is the difference?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And if it is already illegal, why is this Congressional Act needed?
    Because the law as written only applies to impersonating someone currently in service. Just because something could reasonably be done does not mean that it already has been.

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And there are already laws on the books dealing with this...
    I'm not so sure about that. Yes there are anti-fraud laws and on that I agree, but look how slippery this guy was with a specific law in place, imagine how he could wiggle out of a general fraud charge.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    I hope you all don't think I am defending this loser, I am not. I just would be very surprised if this ruling from the Ninth Circus (like that one whoever started it) is overrulled this time...
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Quantify the harm. Tell me in measurable terms how this is different than run-of-the-mill lying.
    If he extracted just one vote from his opposition with this lie, that is real harm done to his opposition.

    How much did it cost the city to hold new elections after he was tossed for this lie?.... again, real harm.
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