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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

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    Actually I thought Don Imus's comment was taking out of context, and the whole thing was overblown. It was a joke, and I kind of found it funny.

    It's a free speech issue not matter what. Unless you wanna crack down on the birthers as well.
    Apples and oranges.

    Running for public office, is basically filling out a resume/job application. I think it's considered fraud to lie on a job application.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

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    Apples and oranges.

    Running for public office, is basically filling out a resume/job application. I think it's considered fraud to lie on a job application.
    And it's been proven he is a natural born American citizen. So the birthers are clearly making fraudulent claims.

    With that said they have every right to say what they are saying. It's America, you have the right to say whatever crap you want.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

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    And it's been proven he is a natural born American citizen. So the birthers are clearly making fraudulent claims.

    With that said they have every right to say what they are saying. It's America, you have the right to say whatever crap you want.
    So, you're cool with a political candidate producing faked college diplomas, or any other docs that make him qualified to hold an elected office? You think those judges would b cool with a politician lieing about graduating from law school? Hell know they wouldn't! He'd be ****ting in their sandbox, then.

    The question is: where does it end? Today, it's okay to lie about military service and awards received, tomorrow someone lies about everything else. There has to be a line in the sand, at some point.

    It's one thing to say you're pro-gun/pro-life/anti-gun/pro-choice etc., whn you're not, but when it comes to official stuff like military service, or college educations, there needs to be some rules.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

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    And it's been proven he is a natural born American citizen. So the birthers are clearly making fraudulent claims.
    There are some highly educated folks that swear up, down and sideways that Bush orchestrated 9/11. Dan Rather used fake docs to prove that Bush was AWOL from the national gaurd. However, I don't think any of them should have faced legal action. They have to go through life being stupid; that should be punishment enough.

    That's why you're comparing apples to oranges.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you're cool with a political candidate producing faked college diplomas, or any other docs that make him qualified to hold an elected office? You think those judges would b cool with a politician lieing about graduating from law school? Hell know they wouldn't! He'd be ****ting in their sandbox, then.

    The question is: where does it end? Today, it's okay to lie about military service and awards received, tomorrow someone lies about everything else. There has to be a line in the sand, at some point.

    It's one thing to say you're pro-gun/pro-life/anti-gun/pro-choice etc., but when it comes to official stuff like military service, or college educations, their needs to be some rules.
    Just because someone says something doesn't mean we can't call them out on it. If a politician comes out, and says he went to Harvard, yet never went to Harvard, we have the right to prove him wrong. He's a liar, but nothing illegal happened. The only illegal thing I could think off that could cause a person problems is forging official documents, but just saying stuff is perfectly legal.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are some highly educated folks that swear up, down and sideways that Bush orchestrated 9/11. Dan Rather used fake docs to prove that Bush was AWOL from the national gaurd. However, I don't think any of them should have faced legal action. They have to go through life being stupid; that should be punishment enough.

    That's why you're comparing apples to oranges.
    With that said they have every right to say what they are saying. It's America, you have the right to say whatever crap you want.
    I guess you didn't read that part of my post.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst
    So, you're cool with a political candidate producing faked college diplomas, or any other docs that make him qualified to hold an elected office? You think those judges would b cool with a politician lieing about graduating from law school? Hell know they wouldn't! He'd be ****ting in their sandbox, then.

    The question is: where does it end? Today, it's okay to lie about military service and awards received, tomorrow someone lies about everything else. There has to be a line in the sand, at some point.

    It's one thing to say you're pro-gun/pro-life/anti-gun/pro-choice etc., whn you're not, but when it comes to official stuff like military service, or college educations, there needs to be some rules.
    Oh noes!!! Political candidates are gonna lie about their accomplishments!!! If only there existed some sort of interconnected global network that let anybody with 10 minutes of free time research and debunk these claims! If only the public had some means of repudiating these assholes, something that could publicize their misdeeds and let people castigate them in public forums in a way that would instantly kill their political careers!

    Oh well. Since we don’t live in a world with those things, I guess we have no choice but to EXPAND the GOVERNMENT‘S POWER. I wouldn’t listen to a big government liberal who advocated something like that, but since you’re a small government conservative, APDST, you obviously must have scrutinized the situation and grudgingly come to the conclusion that anathema, expanded government, is the only acceptable solution.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Apples and oranges.

    Running for public office, is basically filling out a resume/job application. I think it's considered fraud to lie on a job application.
    It's not.

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

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    Do they even understand what valor is, or is that a foreign concept?
    It doesn't require any to work on the 9th Circus Court.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Another in the long line of disgusting things our courts have ruled qualify as "free speech". I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

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