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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The honor of the Military is damaged by allowing scumbags to lie about awards they have earned. It reduces morale, reduces respect, it devalues the sacrifice of our men and women. And there is little surprise our more liberal posters see no problem with a ruling that does such.

    For shame. The 9th Circuit will be overturned.
    This isn't a conservative, liberal issue. It's a first amendment issue, and the first amendment was upheld.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    It's repulsive to compare Medal of Honor recipients with job applicants.

    I was right, Valor is a foreign concept to those toenail deep in the sea of ethics.

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    It's repulsive to compare Medal of Honor recipients with job applicants.

    I was right, Valor is a foreign concept to those toenail deep in the sea of ethics.
    Alrighty then.


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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Problem is, he did not receive it, so it's a lie and the First Amendment does not protect lies.
    We the People of the United States,... provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
    Where did it ever say, promote for the common defence, and provide the general Welfare..... Please don't mix up the two....

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MCS117 View Post
    Problem is, he did not receive it, so it's a lie and the First Amendment does not protect lies.

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

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    Problem is, he did not receive it, so it's a lie and the First Amendment does not protect lies.
    Yes, it does.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Stupid judges upholding the First Amendment. What were they thinking??
    They aren't upholding the 1st Amendment, they are misapplying it, and will be overturned.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

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    Well, he's technically right.

    9th Circuit finds a right to lie - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

    Judge Milan Smith, writing for colleague Thomas Nelson, said the law went too far, even though many legal experts view deliberately false speech as unprotected by the Constitution.

    We have no doubt that society would be better off if Alvarez would stop spreading worthless, ridiculous, and offensive untruths. But, given our historical skepticism of permitting the government to police the line between truth and falsity, and between valuable speech and drivel, we presumptively protect all speech, including false statements, in order that clearly protected speech may flower in the shelter of the First Amendment.
    While asserting that they were not endorsing "an unbridled right to lie," Smith and Nelson said regulations of false speech that have been upheld by the courts were limited to narrow categories in which a direct and significant harm was caused. But, they said, the harm caused by people making false statements about military decorations was not evident. The judges also said it wasn't clear that prosecution was necessary to discourage fraudsters, who are generally humiliated by public revelation of their lies.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    They aren't upholding the 1st Amendment, they are misapplying it, and will be overturned.
    If you keep repeating it to yourself over and over, maybe it will happen!

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    This isn't just lying. It's perpetrating a fraud, a scam on others of the most despicable kind.

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