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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    This is not about slander or libel or fraud. It's about some guy claiming he has an award he doesn't have. It is making lying a crime, even if no harm (other than believing the lie) comes from it.

    You guys really want that? You want everything anyone says to be subjected to a Truth Squad? You want the government to have the power to force us to always tell the truth? What's next: It's illegal to lie when someone asks if this dress makes her look fat?

    Is this guy scum for doing this? Of course. That's not the issue. Don't be blinded by the dislike of this guy to open the door to having anything you say subject to government oversight.

    The first amendment is meaningless if we only protect speech we agree with.

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    Re: Appeals court rules Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    This is a weird situation for the fact that he said he got the medal after he got elected based on the article. I would put the act of saying you got the MoH in order to obtain/achieve something in the same guise as lying on a job application, its fraud.
    But it's not a crime to lie on a job application. You can get fired because it's unethical. But making lying illegal is pretty scary. Do you think it should be illegal to lie to your boss and claim to be sicker than you really are? That's fraud, too. And you could get fired for it if you're caught. But I can't imagine getting arrested for it.

    I realize that because it's about military service it carries more weight. It's a dishonor to those who served. But it shouldn't be a crime. You should just get the crap slapped outta ya'.

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

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    Fraud, perjury, and other untruths that embellish a record and taint the service of those who EARNED a medal harm NO ONE? REALLY?
    Fraud (which is a specifically defined crime) is already against the law.
    Perjury is already against the law.

    If someone lies about their military service in the course of committing fraud or perjury, it's still a crime.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    It neither picks your pocket nor breaks your leg. Get over it.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    The key to remember is this: There is a LOT of speech out there that is disrespectful, hurts the feelings of other people, and simply makes you angry. A lot of this speech is lies.

    If you start making this speech illegal, that's a very dangerous path. Next someone will make it illegal to use the "n" word (like some people have actually proposed) or otherwise limit what you can say. Maybe they'll make it illegal to say bad things about politicians next. I mean, that hurts people too.

    The Alien and Sedition Acts were a bad idea under President Adams and they're a bad idea now.

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    The honor of the Military is damaged by allowing scumbags to lie about awards they have earned. It reduces morale, reduces respect, it devalues the sacrifice of our men and women. And there is little surprise our more liberal posters see no problem with a ruling that does such.

    For shame. The 9th Circuit will be overturned.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Ok - so we can't legally punish people.

    But we can railroad them out the ****ter.
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The honor of the Military is damaged by allowing scumbags to lie about awards they have earned. It reduces morale, reduces respect, it devalues the sacrifice of our men and women. And there is little surprise our more liberal posters see no problem with a ruling that does such.
    Stupid judges upholding the First Amendment. What were they thinking??

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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Stupid judges upholding the First Amendment. What were they thinking??
    *looks at the first ammendment*

    Ah - yes - there it is! "lying is free-speech!" silly me . . . here I was looking at the *slander* *libel* and *defamation* which are *not* allowed and associating the negative of those to the *lying* factor.

    But I guess I'm wrong.

    It doesn't have to be illegal for it to get someone railroaded - burning the flag is legal *but* is it accepted? Is it promoted and encouraged? No.

    My husband deals with liars all the time - one of his late friends lied about how he was injured oversees - made up some heroic bull**** story instead of telling the truth (because the truth was just embarrassing - and non combat related) . . . **** happens *in* the service all the time . . . so unless we're going to punish those *in* - we can't punish those who are *out*
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    Re: Appeals court: Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    *looks at the first ammendment*

    Ah - yes - there it is! "lying is free-speech!" silly me . . . here I was looking at the *slander* *libel* and *defamation* which are *not* allowed and associating the negative of those to the *lying* factor.
    Slander, libel and defamation are all civil causes of action that require proof of some quantifiable damage and thus are not free speech.

    The First Amendment covers lots of lying, I'm afraid.

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