Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

Agent Ferris said:

Because WE have the right to protest this clear intent at incitement.

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You have the right to protest your nose to spite your face, too. But clearly that wouldn't make sense. Get it, no nose, no sense, nonsense?

It's a Mosque, call me when they start holding religious services for faiths other than Islam and then we can call it a community center.

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Okay, what is your number so we can call you?

"His weekly prayer group was a Noah’s ark (the Koran has Noah, too), including the grandson of a Syrian president; a Jewish librarian; a Roman Catholic Latina; an African-American radio commentator...."
Ground Zero Mosque Imam - The Daily Beast

As if Islam has a thing to teach us about tolerance, understanding, and coexistence. :roll:

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And what are you preaching?

Moot said:

You have the right to protest your nose to spite your face, too. But clearly that wouldn't make sense. Get it, no nose, no sense, nonsense?

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So then you would support building a Orthodox Cathedral in the town of Srebrenica? Perhaps a German cultural center at Aushwitz? Maybe a U.S. Army memorial at Wounded Knee?

Okay, what is your number so we can call you?

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"His weekly prayer group was a Noah’s ark (the Koran has Noah, too), including the grandson of a Syrian president; a Jewish librarian; a Roman Catholic Latina; an African-American radio commentator...."
Ground Zero Mosque Imam - The Daily Beast

Ya again call me when this Mosque starts holding daily prayer services for non-Muslim members of the community then we can call it a community center. A weekly prayer group which the Imam was a member of =/= holding daily prayer services for non-Muslim members of the community at a Mosque which hasn't even opened yet, nor does it demonstrate that he held weekly prayer services for non-Muslims at his former Mosque either as the article does not specify where these weekly prayer groups were held.

And what are you preaching?

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Just the facts, that this man is a Sharia supporting, America hating, Hamas terror denying, Islamist POS and this Mosque is being built as a shrine to victory not for community outreach.

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The Koran also has an entire book devoted to Mary, the mother of Jesus. So?

Agent Ferris said:

So then you would support building a Orthodox Cathedral in the town of Srebrenica? Perhaps a German cultural center at Aushwitz? Maybe a U.S. Army memorial at Wounded Knee?

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Ahh, now see, that is where your entire argument falls apart. Because the mosque was not going to be built at or on Ground Zero, or few yards away, or across the street, or a block away, or even within sight of it. So you are basing your opinion on a lie. And if you believe a lie, then I have to wonder what other lies your opinion is based on and then it brings your entire credibilty into question.

"His weekly prayer group was a Noah’s ark (the Koran has Noah, too), including the grandson of a Syrian president; a Jewish librarian; a Roman Catholic Latina; an African-American radio commentator...."
Ground Zero Mosque Imam - The Daily Beast

Ya again call me when this Mosque starts holding daily prayer services for non-Muslim members of the community then we can call it a community center.

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You keep moving the goal post, cheater. Nobody could live up to your standards, if you can't.

A weekly prayer group which the Imam was a member of =/= holding daily prayer services for non-Muslim members of the community at a Mosque which hasn't even opened yet,

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Actually, the building in use now and has been for quite some time.
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Just the facts, that this man is a Sharia supporting, America hating, Hamas terror denying, Islamist POS and this Mosque is being built as a shrine to victory not for community outreach.

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So why don't you use "just facts" then? Tell you what, when you finally do get some facts, then you can tell me what the Iman believes or doesn't believe. MK?

Moot said:

Ahh, now see, that is where your entire argument falls apart. Because the mosque was not going to be built at or on Ground Zero, or few yards away, or across the street, or a block away, or even within sight of it. So you are basing your opinion on a lie. And if you believe a lie, then I have to wonder what other lies your opinion is based on and then it brings your entire credibilty into question.

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A) The Burlington Coat factory where the Mosque is being built is part and parcel of ground zero as it was struck by the landing gear of one of the planes.

B) So you support building a German cultural center 2 blocks from Aushwitz? An Orthodox Cathedral 2 blocks away from the actual killing site in Srebrenica. A US Army Memorial 2 blocks away from Wounded Knee?

You keep moving the goal post, cheater. Nobody could live up to your standards, if you can't.

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I didn't move any damn goal posts, I asserted that this is a Mosque you people are labeling it a community center, so tell me when will they be holding prayer services for other members of this community? A weekly non-denominational prayer group attended by 5 or 6 people held not at the Mosque but god knows where does not in any way prove that they will be holding prayer services for non-Muslims of the community. Call me when they hold a Catholic mass, call me when they hold a Jewish mass, they are not and will not be offering these services because this is a Mosque which will only be holding Islamic mass.

Actually, the building in use now and has been for quite some time.
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So they hold Jewish and Christian prayer services there?

So why don't you use "just facts" then? Tell you what, when you finally do get some facts, then you can tell me what the Iman believes or doesn't believe. MK?

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The Imam believes that the US was an accessory to 9-11, that OBL was made in the USA, refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and wants a Sharia compliant U.S.. He's a radical Islamist POS.

So then you would support building a Orthodox Cathedral in the town of Srebrenica? Perhaps a German cultural center at Aushwitz? Maybe a U.S. Army memorial at Wounded Knee?

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LOL. Ok. No mosques in New York. Their religion doesn't belong here. Only room for Christians. Please be sure to enjoy one of the 5 strip clubs also within two blocks of ground zero on your next visit to respect those who perished.


America was founded as a safehouse from religious persecution.

Agent Ferris said:

I didn't move any damn goal posts, I asserted that this is a Mosque you people are labeling it a community center, so tell me when will they be holding prayer services for other members of this community? A weekly non-denominational prayer group attended by 5 or 6 people held not at the Mosque but god knows where does not in any way prove that they will be holding prayer services for non-Muslims of the community. Call me when they hold a Catholic mass, call me when they hold a Jewish mass, they are not and will not be offering these services because this is a Mosque which will only be holding Islamic mass.
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It's a community center because it will have a basketball court, a gym, a theatre, a other things along with a mosque. And it will be open to people of all faiths, thats why it is called a community center.

Your Star said:

It's a community center because it will have a basketball court, a gym, a theatre, a other things along with a mosque. And it will be open to people of all faiths, thats why it is called a community center.

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Is it just me or is it ironic that thier mosque will accept people of all faiths, but the people of this "free" country won't? Oh yeah, its an issue about sensitivity. Like the strip clubs "on" ground zero. 1 plus 1 = 2.

JakeFromWI said:

LOL. Ok. No mosques in New York. Their religion doesn't belong here. Only room for Christians. Please be sure to enjoy one of the 5 strip clubs also within two blocks of ground zero on your next visit to respect those who perished.


America was founded as a safehouse from religious persecution.

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You're answering a question that I didn't ****ing ask, ofcourse they have the right to build it, the point is that it isn't right that they're building it. It's offensive and insensitive. It's akin to building an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica, or a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, or a US Army Memorial at Wounded Knee. Are all Christians responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre? Did all Germans and their descendents perpetrate the Holocaust? Is wounded knee a reflection on all U.S. soldiers? The answer is no, but you would have to seriously questions the motivations behind the specific organizations which would suggest building such things at those particular places.

Your Star said:

It's a community center because it will have a basketball court, a gym, a theatre, a other things along with a mosque. And it will be open to people of all faiths, thats why it is called a community center.

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It's a Mosque which doubles as an Islamic community center. I'm sure non-Muslims will be allowed to go there so that they can receive Dawa just as non-Christians are invited to Evangelical "community centers." Ya the Evangelical Mega-churches are community centers. :roll: If this was a community center they would be offering religious services to all members of the community and not just Muslim members of the community.

Moot said:

Actually, the building in use now and has been for quite some time.
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Ah, as a weight loss clinic, I see.

WHAT ISNT RIGHT ABOUT BUILDING IT? WTF isnt right about building a mosque near the WTC memorial. Seems to me it would stand as a symbol that the terrorists (not muslims) DID NOT win. It would say that we will never become as intolerent as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon etc. It would say all Americans are in it together. It would say nothing disrespectful towards those who died in 2001. MANY of them innocent Muslims. As I said before, we can leave that to the "respectful gentleman's clubs" that happen to be next to the Memorial site.

You can't tell me your point is that "it isn't right." We ask why!

JakeFromWI said:

Is it just me or is it ironic that thier mosque will accept people of all faiths

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Mosques allow people of all faiths in order that they may receive Dawa. It's called prosteletyzing.

Is it just me or is it ironic that the proponents of this victory Mega-Mosque are trying to label the Imam responsible for it one of those tolerant peaceful Muslims but continue to ignore the fact that he is showing blatant insensitivity by building the Mosque there despite the widespread opposition by both Muslim and non-Muslim members of the community which he is claiming to try to build bridges with, that they continue to ignore the fact that he labeled the U.S. an accessory to 9-11 and said OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after 9-11, that he refuses to condemn Hamas as a terorist organization, and that he is calling for a Sharia compliant US? It's not us trying to label all Muslims as terrorists it's you people trying to label all Muslims as peaceful and tolerant.

, but the people of this "free" country won't?

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Again no one is arguing that they don't have the right to build their Mosque, we're saying it's not right for them to build there, just as it wouldn't be right to build a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica, or a U.S. Army Memorial at Wounded Knee.

Oh yeah, its an issue about sensitivity. Like the strip clubs "on" ground zero. 1 plus 1 = 2.

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You're right, 1+1 = 2, Sharia Compliant U.S. + US Accessory to 9-11 = Islamist Radical building a victory mega-Mosque.

Agent Ferris said:

It's a Mosque which doubles as an Islamic community center. I'm sure non-Muslims will be allowed to go there so that they can receive Dawa just as non-Christians are invited to Evangelical "community centers." Ya the Evangelical Mega-churches are community centers. :roll: If this was a community center they would be offering religious services to all members of the community and not just Muslim members of the community.

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The mosque will act separately with all the other activities they provide.

Agent Ferris said:

Again no one is arguing that they don't have the right to build their Mosque, we're saying it's not right for them to build their, just as it wouldn't be right to build a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica, or a U.S. Army Memorial at Wounded Knee.

You're right, 1+1 = 2, Sharia Compliant U.S. + US Accessory to 9-11 = Islamist Radical building a victory mega-Mosque.

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Victory mega mosque? Its a community center with a mosque, that will tolerate all religious beliefs, like so many Muslim (especially American Muslims) believe. Listen to these half truths you speak. Your intolerance masked with "it's about respect" is nauseating. Truly. Words like yours are about as far from fundementally American as one can get.

Victory mega mosque. Holy ****. I quit.

JakeFromWI said:

WHAT ISNT RIGHT ABOUT BUILDING IT?

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What isn't right about building a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, or an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebenica, or a U.S. Army Memorial at Wounded Knee?

The fact of the matter is that the ideology held by all 19 men who flew planes into those buildings was Islam, is that a reflection on all Muslims? No, but neither is the holocaust a reflection on all Germans, or the Srebenica Massacre a reflection on all Christians, or Wounded Knee a refelection on all members of the U.S. military, but can you honestly assert that you would not question the motivations behind building those things at those places or that it would be in anyway appropriate?

WTF isnt right about building a mosque near the WTC memorial. Seems to me it would stand as a symbol that the terrorists (not muslims) DID NOT win.

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And it seems to me like a victory shrine, if they wanted to do something to building bridges then they could have build a memorial to the victims of 9-11 which would have actually engendered goodwill from the American people towards the Muslim-American community, but they did something that only a fool wouldn't know would cause outrage and division.

It would say that we will never become as intolerent as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon etc.

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A) Lebanon is not in the same category as Saudi Arabia or Iran.

B) What separates us is not a blindness to outrageous actions but our willingness to allow them for the greater good of liberty while using our own freedom of assembly and speech to protest those actions rather than rely on the state to shut them down.

It would say all Americans are in it together.

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This Imam is not in it with us, that much is clear, he is an enemy of liberty not a defender of it.

It would say nothing disrespectful towards those who died in 2001. MANY of them innocent Muslims.

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Then you obviously would support a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz or an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebnica. If this was about honoring those lost on 9-11 they could have built something crazy like a memorial honoring those lost on 9-11.

As I said before, we can leave that to the "respectful gentleman's clubs" that happen to be next to the Memorial site.

You can't tell me your point is that "it isn't right." We ask why!

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Asked and answered, it's inappropriate for the location. Strippers did not fly planes into the buildings.

JakeFromWI said:

Victory mega mosque? Its a community center with a mosque,

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Ya just like the Evangelical Mega Churches are community centers. :roll: If it's a community center when will they be offering prayer services to non-Muslim members of the community?

that will tolerate all religious beliefs,

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In order that they may offer them Dawa.

like so many Muslim (especially American Muslims) believe. Listen to these half truths you speak. Your intolerance masked with "it's about respect" is nauseating. Truly. Words like yours are about as far from fundementally American as one can get.

Victory mega mosque. Holy ****. I quit.

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There's absolutely no other conceivable reason to pick that location in particular.

Your Star said:

The mosque will act separately with all the other activities they provide.

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Really? A spokesperson for the victory Mosque has issued a statement saying that they will not be offering Dawa to non-Muslims who use the facilities?

Agent Ferris said:

You're answering a question that I didn't ****ing ask, ofcourse they have the right to build it, the point is that it isn't right that they're building it. It's offensive and insensitive. It's akin to building an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica, or a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, or a US Army Memorial at Wounded Knee. Are all Christians responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre? Did all Germans and their descendents perpetrate the Holocaust? Is wounded knee a reflection on all U.S. soldiers? The answer is no, but you would have to seriously questions the motivations behind the specific organizations which would suggest building such things at those particular places.

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I no longer buy the argument that the area where this Islamic Community Center/Mosque is to be built is "hallowed ground". I mean, when you have...

...a strip club called the New York Dolls gentleman's club, an off-track betting parlor, 17 pizza shops, 18 bank branches, 11 bars, 10 shoe stores and 17 salons where "a girl can get her lady parts groomed..."

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...all within a 3-block radius of Ground Zero, it's very difficult for me to consider the area along the perimeter as sacred.

From Yahoonows, "Facts don't calm debate over New York Islamic center," by William Douglas, McClatchy Newspapers dated 8/20/10

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I no longer buy the argument that the area where this Islamic Community Center/Mosque is to be built is "hallowed ground". I mean, when you have...



...all within a 3-block radius of Ground Zero, it's very difficult for me to consider the area along the perimeter as sacred.

From Yahoonows, "Facts don't calm debate over New York Islamic center," by William Douglas, McClatchy Newspapers dated 8/20/10

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Strippers conducted the 9-11 attacks?

I'm sure that the town of Srebenica has a bar and/or gentlemens club too, but does that mean that it would be appropriate to build an Orthodox Church there? Hardly.

@Agent Ferris
I don't care that your offended that the mosque is being built. Nor should the government care that anyone is offended. What the government should care about is the legality of this mosque, and they aren't doing anything illegal. So thats that. They have the right to build there, and there isn't anything you can do about it legally.
Sure you can protest, and scream and yell, with this misguided sense that the "evil muslims are building a shrine to 9/11", but that's only going to make you look ignorant to everyone with common sense.

What isn't right about building a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, or an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebenica, or a U.S. Army Memorial at Wounded Knee?

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Well, there is no practicality for a german cultural center in Aushwitz. It's not in the middle of one of the largest cities in the world. There happens to be a Memorial to the Holocaust there anyways. So they can't build on a Museum / Memorial. However there are many German institutions and cultural information available in nearby Krakow.

As for Srebrenica (notice the proper spelling out of respect for those slaughtered) - Jesus Krist would be upset.
Are Orthodox churches allowed to be NEAR Srebrenica, because that is the issue at hand. A mosque on ground zero would be f'd up. So would an Orthodox church in srebrenica.

And finally, a US Army Memorial at Wounded Knee? There's no military presence there. And no military significance to that area other than those atrocities committed. There is however a heavy presence of McDonald's and white people in South Dakota. Not many Indians anymore. No one knows why. Must have migrated like animals right? So that does enough memorializing the Indian's who died there...

Moreover, there is a heavy presence of Muslim Americans in that area already. And that's fine to you correct? But they are just not allowed to have a building to pray in. Because its not the right place of white christian america's determination.

Asked and answered, it's inappropriate for the location. Strippers did not fly planes into the buildings.

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Men did. So no men are allowed to congregate in East Manhattan. Men? I mean Muslims. I can make loose connections too.

Your Star said:

@Agent Ferris
I don't care that your offended that the mosque is being built. Nor should the government care that anyone is offended. What the government should care about is the legality of this mosque, and they aren't doing anything illegal. So thats that. They have the right to build there, and there isn't anything you can do about it legally.

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I never said that the state should intervene.

Sure you can protest, and scream and yell, with this misguided sense that the "evil muslims are building a shrine to 9/11", but that's only going to make you look ignorant to everyone with common sense.

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It's not misguided the Imam's actions and his words speak towards his motives.

Thank you for bringing up such a good point like Srebrenica by the way. You are familiar with the mass murder of Muslims in Serbia by White Christians? What happened?

Did the majority of Muslims declare war on Christianity. Nope, just the extremists.
Now, when we were attacked did the majority of Americans declare war on Islam? Well, apparantly...and to top it off we bombed the **** out of 2 countries not including Pakistan.

Wierd how September 11th is so important, yet most people don't know wtf the significance of Srebrenica is. What's the difference?

JakeFromWI said:

Well, there is no practicality for a german cultural center in Aushwitz. It's not in the middle of one of the largest cities in the world. There happens to be a Memorial to the Holocaust there anyways. So they can't build on a Museum / Memorial. However there are many German institutions and cultural information available in nearby Krakow.

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There is no practicality for building a Mosque there, a) there are already numerous Mosques in NYC one 12 blocks away from this one, and b) there is no reason why they could not build it somewhere else. And what exactly are these German institutions and cultural information being offered?

As for Srebrenica (notice the proper spelling out of respect for those slaughtered) - Jesus Krist would be upset.
Are Orthodox churches allowed to be NEAR Srebrenica, because that is the issue at hand. A mosque on ground zero would be f'd up. So would an Orthodox church in srebrenica.

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This location is part and parcel to ground zero it was actually struck by the landing gear of one of the planes that hit the building. But for my edification am I to understand that you would support an Orthodox church 2 blocks away from the kill site within the town of Srebrenica or 2 blocks away from the town of Srebrenica itself?

And finally, a US Army Memorial at Wounded Knee? There's no military presence there. And no military significance to that area other than those atrocities committed.

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There is no significance to the area where the Mosque is being built other than the 9-11 attacks. And I have seen no evidence for a large Muslim population in the area which desperately needs a new Mosque especially considering that there is already a Mosque less than 12 blocks away.

There is however a heavy presence of McDonald's and white people in South Dakota. Not many Indians anymore. No one knows why. Must have migrated like animals right? So that does enough memorializing the Indian's who died there...


Moreover, there is a heavy presence of Muslim Americans in that area already.

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Prove it. What is the Muslim population in that area, and is it so large that it can not be accomadated by the already existing Mosque less than 12 blocks away? This is not a residential district so I seriously doubt your assertions are true.

And that's fine to you correct? But they are just not allowed to have a building to pray in. Because its not the right place of white christian america's determination.

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They are allowed to have one, in fact they already do, now tell me why there is a pressing need to build one there at this specific location.

Men did. So no men are allowed to congregate in East Manhattan. Men? I mean Muslims. I can make loose connections too.

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It's not a loose connection, it's a direct connection, they did not perpetrate the attacks in the name of the male gender they did it in the name of Islam. You people are really stretching here.