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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Then you must also believe that those fighting the construction of synagogues, Christian churches, LDS churches, etc. are also bigots ???

    Who is claiming that we shouldn't be true to the Constitution ??
    Gil, the problem is that sooo many in America today believe because they "can" do something, they are entitled to be able to do so regardless of the consequences and if anyone objects they are denying the person/entity their rights.

    You are correct, in this case they "can" legally build this Mosque. If the Gov't were to deny them this right it would be wrong. However for all of you people screaming about the "Rights of the Muslims" what about OUR right to point out the obvious flaws of this idea? That it's pissing on 911 in the eyes of many? That it smacks of "Mosque of Conquest". That the builders are unwilling to compromise, thus undermining their claimed goal of Tolerance.

    Mosque Developer Rejects Meeting With Paterson | NBC New York
    The developers of an Islamic cultural center that would include a mosque near Ground Zero have rejected Gov. David Paterson's offer to help them find a different site.
    Paterson said today the group is apparently committed to building in the proposed site. "I think they would like to stay where they are, and I certainly respect that and I certainly respect them," Paterson said.
    But, Paterson said the dialogue would have been useful as the project has ignited nationwide debate over freedom of religion and anger over the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.. "Having said that, how much more foresighted would it have been if the Imam who is the developer of the project had been willing to hear what we are actually talking about?"
    The planned $100 million center would be built two blocks from the World Trade Center site, where nearly 2,800 people died when Islamic extremists flew jets into the twin towers. The project is headed by Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, a Muslim cleric who has worked to improve relations between Islam and the West.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Then you must also believe that those fighting the construction of synagogues, Christian churches, LDS churches, etc. are also bigots ???
    If they are doing so for any reason other than adhering to applicable local, state or federal law, then perhaps they are. I'd have to know the circumstances underwhich they are being denied, i.e., is the construction of a church at Site A being denied because because it's being built next to a public school? Would its construction interfer with ground water tables? Did they rightfully acquire the property? Was it discovered that the funding came from the mob?

    There are many legitimate reasons to deny the construction of a building. However, to deny same out of fear or because our feelings are hurt is wrong.

    As to what those who oppose the mosque's construction are saying, all you have to do is read the 1,000 page thread detailing this very issue to know exactly where people's reservations are coming from. Some are out of concern for the 9/11 victims and their families, but others (and I dare say most) have little to nothing to do with that. It's fear!!!

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    I just read on DRUDGE (via Reuters) that right-wing, anti-Semitic "Imam" Feisil Abdul Rauf has *rejected* Gov. Patterson's suggestion they MOVE the GZ Mosque away from hallowed ground. The Imam, who is currently in the Middle East raising money (illegally) for the right-wing, homophobic, anti-Semitic, pro-terrorist mosque stated that he will NOT meet with Gov. Patterson.

    Once more ... liberal-progressives support the building of a temple of hate, bigotry, racism and homophobia and 72% of Americans reject it.

    Mr. Obama, a liberal-progressive whose hatred of caucasions, Jews and our nation knows no bounds, is in favor of a center of Hate in lower Manhattan.

    And I also read that Ms. Pelosi wishes to lauch *investigations* into those who reject the Hate Mosque.

    Memo to liberal-progressives: STOP supporting bigotry, hatred, racism and homophobia.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Gil, the problem is that sooo many in America today believe because they "can" do something, they are entitled to be able to do so regardless of the consequences and if anyone objects they are denying the person/entity their rights.

    You are correct, in this case they "can" legally build this Mosque. If the Gov't were to deny them this right it would be wrong. However for all of you people screaming about the "Rights of the Muslims" what about OUR right to point out the obvious flaws of this idea? That it's pissing on 911 in the eyes of many? That it smacks of "Mosque of Conquest". That the builders are unwilling to compromise, thus undermining their claimed goal of Tolerance.

    Mosque Developer Rejects Meeting With Paterson | NBC New York
    All the more reason why I've said from the very beginning including in this thread that you watch them. You watch them like a hawk! And if local law enforcement w/the aid of federal agencies, i.e., the FBI, determine that there is shady activity taking place there you arrest those involved and/or shut the place down if you have to. It's what a nation of laws does!!!

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    All the more reason why I've said from the very beginning including in this thread that you watch them. You watch them like a hawk! And if local law enforcement w/the aid of federal agencies, i.e., the FBI, determine that there is shady activity taking place there you arrest those involved and/or shut the place down if you have to. It's what a nation of laws does!!!
    You think this about active terrorist activity at the center?

    This is a symbolic victory for Islam. It WILL act as a Terrorist Recruiting tool. "Look, those stupid infidels are weak, and we built a Mosque right there at the site of our great victory! How can you fear such people?" WHETHER OR NOT THE MOSQUE BUILDERS BELIEVE SUCH. It's called a side effect.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then why are Muslim groups saying not to build there?


    YouTube - O'Reilly Factor: Raheel Raza Speaks Out Against 9/11 Mosque
    Because they are bigots and against religious freedom?..... oh wait.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So what do you call a church inside the pentagon genius?
    What do you call a ban against prayer is schools genius?
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by GayLibertarian View Post



    Memo to liberal-progressives: STOP supporting bigotry, hatred, racism and homophobia.
    You mean you don't want us to vote for Republicans? We're already one step ahead of you!

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You think this about active terrorist activity at the center?

    This is a symbolic victory for Islam. It WILL act as a Terrorist Recruiting tool. "Look, those stupid infidels are weak, and we built a Mosque right there at the site of our great victory! How can you fear such people?" WHETHER OR NOT THE MOSQUE BUILDERS BELIEVE SUCH. It's called a side effect.
    Your commentary speaks to the exact issue I'm concerned about. What about the opposite affect?

    "They denied the right to build a mosque under their own laws, under their own system of democracy, in the face of their own Constitution. They are as we've said they are, a bunch of hypocrites who can't even follow their own system of democracy but they expect us to abid by it. Stand up in revolt against these infidels!"

    Can you see where this could be leading? Can you see how this emboddings them much more than if we allow the mosque to be built? Let law enforcement do their due diligence. I'd rather catch them doing wrong and throw that back at them than to deny them while following the laws in our land yet make them stonger and more daring from within and abroad.

    "Keep your friends close and your enemy closer."

    If it turns out that this mosque near Ground Zero is doing wrong, law enforcement will root it out. Besides, it's suppose to also be a community center, right? Well, do you honestly think they'd get away with their underhanded deeds for very long if New Yorkers and American shoppers as coming and going on a daily basis yet helping to also keep a watchful eye? As long as we (law enforcement) don't get complacient, we should be able to keep them honest. They win only if we let them.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Because they don't want to provoke a controversey.
    and they may very well be sensitive to the feelings of others.

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