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Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

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Crunch said:
The dogs were your idea..... I just don't want you to live near me...... did you move?

BTW....... even if the dogs were my motive, what part of the Constitution limits my rights to freedom of speech and assembly only to those times I have a valid reason to exercise them? Article, section, clause, or amendment please.

This isn’t a waste of your time, it is an example of your fighting for the rights of something you believe in, but wanting to limit the rights of those you don’t agree with.
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It's very simple: The Constitution gives you the right to peaceful assemble. You can demonstrate quietly, peacefully against damned near anything you want, but you can't become a nuisance even on public property. Therefore, local laws and ordinances dictate when you've gone beyond your right to assemble. So, if in my view you're being a nuisance, you will be asked to cease and dissist your demonstration no matter how "peaceful" you may deem it to be or be forceably removed, if necessary. It's just that simple.

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Johnny DooWop said:
Really? So its the conservatives who are pushing for gays to have the right to marry?
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Conservatives understand what marriage is. Liberals want to change the definition.
 
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Objective Voice said:
It's very simple: The Constitution gives you the right to peaceful assemble. You can demonstrate quietly, peacefully against damned near anything you want, but you can't become a nuisance even on public property. Therefore, local laws and ordinances dictate when you've gone beyond your right to assemble. So, if in my view you're being a nuisance, you will be asked to cease and dissist your demonstration no matter how "peaceful" you may deem it to be or be forceably removed, if necessary. It's just that simple.

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Like I said, you are denying me my rights under the 1st amendment but fighting for the Imam's rights under the same amendment......... we're so proud of you.
 
ricksfolly said:
The blame for the hoopala lies equally with the media and Rep opportunists. Just another form of political Gotcha...

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WOW!!!!!!!! Imagine that?....... 54% of the people in the US are Republican opportunists.... who would have known?

Thursday, July 22, 2010 Email to a Friend ShareThis.Advertisement
Just 20% of Americans favor the building of an Islamic mosque near the Ground Zero site of the World Trade Center in New York City, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

Fifty-four percent (54%) oppose the planned building of a mosque near where Muslim terrorists brought down the skyscrapers by crashing commercial airliners into them on September 11, 2001. Three thousand people died in the incident and related attacks that day.
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OH wait..... seems 1/2 of the dems and 1/2 the Independents are Republican opportunists too.

Seventy-six percent (76%) of Republicans and 50% of adults not affiliated with either major party oppose building the mosque near the World Trace Center site. Democrats are evenly divided on the question.
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20% Favor Mosque Near Ground Zero, 54% Oppose - Rasmussen Reports™

Does the word "hack" mean anything to you? :roll:
 
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Crunch said:
Like I said, you are denying me my rights under the 1st amendment but fighting for the Imam's rights under the same amendment......... we're so proud of you.
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Whatever...

Bringing you back to reality, if you really feel that strong against this Islamic Community Center being built, why do you take some time out of your busy schedule, draw up your picket signs and go march on the property in NYC instead of giving cyber-lip service here. Put your money with your mouth is, tough guy. Go exercise that freedom of assembly you feel you so rightly deserve.

Erod said:
Conservatives understand what marriage is. Liberals want to change the definition.
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Who said? I'm a Moderate-Democrat; my wife's a Moderate-Conservative. We both believe that gays and lesbians as humans have some basic human rights same as everyone else, but we both believe that marriage is and should always be between a man and a woman. So, come by that again?
 
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Objective Voice said:
Whatever...

Bringing you back to reality, if you really feel that strong against this Islamic Community Center being built, why do you take some time out of your busy schedule, draw up your picket signs and go march on the property in NYC instead of giving cyber-lip service here. Put your money with your mouth is, tough guy. Go exercise that freedom of assembly you feel you so rightly deserve.
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Really. Do you do what you are advocating him do for any issue you feel strongly about?
 
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Crunch said:
Like I said, you are denying me my rights under the 1st amendment but fighting for the Imam's rights under the same amendment......... we're so proud of you.
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He is a private citizen. How can he deny you your first amendment rights?
 
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texmaster said:
Really. Do you do what you are advocating him do for any issue you feel strongly about?
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Come again? If you're asking if I understand why I'm suggesting Crunch to do? Sure! He has that right. I'm just saying instead of talking hypotheticals, maybe he should go to NYC and put his money where his mouth is if he really feels that strong about it.
Redress said:
He is a private citizen. How can he deny you your first amendment rights?
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Exactly! It wouldn't be me putting my hands on him taking him away. It would be the local police issuing him a citation for:

- Disorderly conduct
- Disturbing the peace
- Being a public nusiance

And if necessary arresting him for the very same charges. But no one has denied him his right to peaceful assembly. The reason for him assembling in the first place would have changed and, as such, he should no longer be camped out in front of my house under the aforementioned scenario. It's just that simple.

I or a member of my home might call the cops, but it wouldn't be me removing him. It would be the law!
 
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Objective Voice said:
Who said? I'm a Moderate-Democrat; my wife's a Moderate-Conservative. We both believe that gays and lesbians as humans have some basic human rights same as everyone else, but we both believe that marriage is and should always be between a man and a woman. So, come by that again?
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By and large. You are the exception; my apologies.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Whatever...

Bringing you back to reality, if you really feel that strong against this Islamic Community Center being built, why do you take some time out of your busy schedule, draw up your picket signs and go march on the property in NYC instead of giving cyber-lip service here. Put your money with your mouth is, tough guy. Go exercise that freedom of assembly you feel you so rightly deserve.
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Bringing you back to reality, if you really feel that strong for this Islamic Community Center being built, why do you take some time out of your busy schedule, draw up your picket signs and go march on the property in NYC instead of giving cyber-lip service here. Put your money where your mouth is, tough guy. Go exercise that freedom of religion you feel they so rightly deserve. :lamo
 
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I think the Constitution, local laws and law enforcement can handle that quite well without me. But I'll keep that in mind should I ever get to the Big Apple. ;) Never been there...would love to go for a visit though someday.
 
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Redress said:
He is a private citizen. How can he deny you your first amendment rights?
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He can't, and neither can the protestors in NY deny the Imam his or the mosque owners theirs. Which is why it's so silly to bring up the First Amendment at all -- in this case, in Dr. Laura's case, in any of it.
 
You know, you are right. The mosque must move. And while were at it, we need to move these churches too:

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Are you addressing that to me? I never said the mosque should move. :shrug:
 
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Harshaw said:
He can't, and neither can the protestors in NY deny the Imam his or the mosque owners theirs. Which is why it's so silly to bring up the First Amendment at all -- in this case, in Dr. Laura's case, in any of it.
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The first amendment applies to those who think we, the people, should stop the Mosque. We cannot, without violating their first amendment rights. We can suggest, protest and all that, but in the end, unless their is a real legal issue, we cannot stop it.
 
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Redress said:
The first amendment applies to those who think we, the people, should stop the Mosque. We cannot, without violating their first amendment rights. We can suggest, protest and all that, but in the end, unless their is a real legal issue, we cannot stop it.
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Unless they advocate doing it through the government, it has nothing to do with the First Amendment. And even then, it would have be done on religious grounds.
 
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Harshaw said:
Unless they advocate doing it through the government, it has nothing to do with the First Amendment. And even then, it would have be done on religious grounds.
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Correct. The point is, the only way to stop it is to go through the government.
 
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Redress said:
Correct. The point is, the only way to stop it is to go through the government.
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Well, that's not acutally true; social pressure can do a lot of things (examples are repleat).

But they aren't calling for it, so there's no First Amendment issue.
 
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Harshaw said:
Well, that's not acutally true; social pressure can do a lot of things (examples are repleat).

But they aren't calling for it, so there's no First Amendment issue.
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In this case, they would have to change the mind of the guy whose name I forget who wants to build it. This does not seem to be working to well.
 
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Redress said:
In this case, they would have to change the mind of the guy whose name I forget who wants to build it. This does not seem to be working to well.
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Too bad for them, then. But there's still no First Amendment issue.
 
Johnny DooWop said:
Sometimes you have good arguments, sometimes you don't. Usually your bad arguments are only a sentence or two with no facts or examples to back up your statements. Just a futile attempt to assure that a good point made by a "liberal" not be the last word.
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Again by your logic we should associate the modern leftists with small decentralized government because the liberals back during the revolution supported it.
 
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ptif219 said:
I always thought Obama wanted to stop Muslim controversy now he is promoting it
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Who would have thought the first amendment would be so controversial.
 
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