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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Actually, my mentioning it was designed to illuminate a spurious relationship that was used. Whereas England doesn't even have a spurious relationship with Coumbus day.
    Do you not know that veiled threats were made if the construction of the Mosque doesn't go ahead?

    What threats were made regarding Columbus Day???

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you not know that veiled threats were made if the construction of the Mosque doesn't go ahead?
    The post in question was relating "talk about the mosque" giving the terrorists "renewed energy". It doesn't mnatter if threats were made about th emosque directly, the spurious relationship is beteen terrorist "energy" levels and the discussion of the mosque.

    What threats were made regarding Columbus Day???
    Columbus' discovery of the new world was an integral step towards the creation of America. Perhaps they see celebrating him as a celebration of the West. As such, it could have given them a renewed energy.

    This is just an observation on how close the timing of this credible but not specific threat is to Columbus day. It simply cannot be taken for granted that this is just a coincidence.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Tucker Case;1059012151]The post in question was relating "talk about the mosque" giving the terrorists "renewed energy".
    Ok, and this "new energy" involved threats. That's all part of "talk about the Mosque". An integral part.

    It doesn't mnatter if threats were made about th emosque directly, the spurious relationship is beteen terrorist "energy" levels and the discussion of the mosque.
    It doesn't matter? Of course it matters!!

    Columbus' discovery of the new world was an integral step towards the creation of America.
    Yes, I would tend to agree. Good point.
    Perhaps they see celebrating him as a celebration of the West. As such, it could have given them a renewed energy.
    So you are arguing the possible position of terrorists despite them not having made any such claim themselves?

    This is just an observation on how close the timing of this credible but not specific threat is to Columbus day. It simply cannot be taken for granted that this is just a coincidence.
    Despite what the Muslim cleric said? And that no mention of Columbus Day was ever made? As well, you must think these people are really dopey. What makes you think they hate Americans more than any other infidels? You obviously don't know what makes them tick either.

    Do you know honestly know anything about this issue?

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Ok, and this "new energy" involved threats. That's all part of "talk about the Mosque". An integral part.
    There is no evidence of any "new energy".

    The linked story being discussed in this case was related to threats in countries that have nothing to do with the mosque

    Just because something might appear to be linked in your estimation, doesn't mean that there is any real link at all. Hence, spurious relationship

    It doesn't matter? Of course it matters!!
    Not when we are talking about different threats that have nothing to do with the mosque. Apparently you missed the trigger point of the exchange.




    So you are arguing the possible position of terrorists despite them not having made any such claim themselves?
    Why not. That's what was done in the post I was responding to. What better way to illuminate the spurious nature of a spurious relationship than by recreating an equally spurious relationship that those who support the previously made spurious relationship will argue against themselves.

    That way, they provide the arguments against their own position illuminating the flawed nature of their initial arguments in a way that is unmatchable in it's efficacy.

    Despite what the Muslim cleric said? And that no mention of Columbus Day was ever made? ... What makes you think they hate Americans more than any other infidels?
    Excellent. By simply changing Columbus Day to "ground zero Mosque" you just provided the perfect argument against the spurious relationship I was addressing with my initial Columbus day comment to begin with. Thank you.

    You obviously don't know what makes them tick either.
    Apparently you didn't catch the fact that I was using a smidgen of satire to illuminate the spurious relationship. I created a spurious relationship of my own that had equal merit to the one I was responding to.

    Do you know honestly know anything about this issue?
    At least as much as those I'm debating with.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    The news item referred to said "US and European officials said Tuesday they have detected a plot to carry out a major, coordinated series of commando-style terror attacks in Britain, France, Germany and possibly the United States".

    That is "possibly the United States".

    Therefore it's just as easy to say the planned terrorist attacks are for the Burka Ban, The Battle of the Khyber Pass, or Oktoberfest. Why relate it to something American when the attack there is only a possibility?

    This to me is a knee-jerk reaction where fault is easily found with the United States, where its felt terrorism is more justified than in France, the UK or Germany, where they are not fighting terrorism as much as in the United States.

    I knew it was meant to be satire, by the way, it's just that it is such tiresome satire. Perhaps you can try a little satire on terrorists for a change.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Therefore it's just as easy to say the planned terrorist attacks are for the Burka Ban, The Battle of the Khyber Pass, or Oktoberfest. Why relate it to something American when the attack there is only a possibility?
    That's exactly the thought I had just prior to posting my comment about Columbus Day, Grant. Why are you preaching to the choir on this one? Why don't you direct your scorn at the spurious relation where it belongs? i.e. the perosn who tried to relate the primarily European plot to the mosque in New York.


    I knew it was meant to be satire, by the way, it's just that it is such tiresome satire. Perhaps you can try a little satire on terrorists for a change.
    It's satire on a tiresome argument presented by so many people who like to over-generalize the terror problem. Perhaps you can try to rid your side of debate from these faulty arguments instead of presenting a de facto defense of them by going after those who actually point out the flaws in their tiresome arguments?
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What does Columbus day have ot do with England?
    Where did he sail from and who financed him?
    Last edited by ptif219; 09-29-10 at 11:30 PM.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Where did he sail from
    Palos de la Frontera

    and who financed him?
    Ferdinand II and Isabella I of Spain.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Palos de la Frontera



    Ferdinand II and Isabella I of Spain.
    I stand corrected

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I stand corrected
    England was willing to finance the voyage but the response came after Columbus had comitted to working with Spain.
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