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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actively supporting terrorism can take many different forms, including making financial donations. Those numbers would seem to be optimistic, as there are entire Islamic states which actively support terrorism.

    Perhaps you can explain where an American government has supported terrorism. Do you have a special reason for centering out the Americans?
    America engaged in state terrorism by dropping two atomic bombs on Japan. Look at Luis Carriles. An exported terrorist of America. Same with Orlando Bosch and Robert Lady.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    America engaged in state terrorism by dropping two atomic bombs on Japan. Look at Luis Carriles. An exported terrorist of America. Same with Orlando Bosch and Robert Lady.
    It seems you don't quite understand what terrorism means. The United States and its allies were already at war with Japan, and fighting each other. Dropping bombs during a time of war is not terrorism. It's what a declared war is all about.

    The other examples should be mentioned separately because, as a group, it makes little sense.

    Do you have a definition of terrorism that is apart from the dictionary definition?

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems you don't quite understand what terrorism means. The United States and its allies were already at war with Japan, and fighting each other. Dropping bombs during a time of war is not terrorism. It's what a declared war is all about.
    Dropping bombs on military targets is not terrorism. Dropping bombs on civilians is not a military target and IS terrorism, no matter how you try to spin it.
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    The other examples should be mentioned separately because, as a group, it makes little sense.
    They are examples of America using terrorism when it suits their interests (until it backfires).
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    Do you have a definition of terrorism that is apart from the dictionary definition?
    I think you should be asking yourself that question.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Dropping bombs on military targets is not terrorism. Dropping bombs on civilians is not a military target and IS terrorism, no matter how you try to spin it.
    You don't see a difference between a soldier or airman attacking a military target from someone who targets unarmed civilians? Or are you trying to suggest that our forces are targeting unarmed civilians?
    They are examples of America using terrorism when it suits their interests (until it backfires).
    Well, go for it
    I think you should be asking yourself that question.
    What do think about urban guerrilla warfare?

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The United States and its allies were already at war with Japan, and fighting each other. Dropping bombs during a time of war is not terrorism. It's what a declared war is all about.
    Dropping the bombs on Japan is the exact definition of terrorism. It was used to terrorize the Japanese into surrendering. Hence terrorism.

    You can try and justify it all you want, but the shear power, size, and eventually civilian causality loss was far beyond simply a "military target". It was meant to terrorize and it worked.

    I don't doubt for a second that if Al-Qaeda got their hands on a full nuke and detonated it in Ft. Bragg or Ft. Hood (a military target) that killed millions of civilians outside the base, you would be ranting and raving it was a terrorist attack.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Dropping bombs on military targets is not terrorism. Dropping bombs on civilians is not a military target and IS terrorism, no matter how you try to spin it.

    They are examples of America using terrorism when it suits their interests (until it backfires).
    Quite aside from the fact that the British government also supported the bombing of Japan, the Japanese people were all prepared to fight to protect their homeland, just as the Americans would and British at one time. I don't think you quite understand the Japanese mindset of the day nor their determination. If you are aware of Kamikaze pilots, that should give you an idea of how strongly they felt, as well as any other battles in the Pacific. But the object of your post appears to be more concerned with slamming the Americans than looking at history with any knowledge and perspective.
    I think you should be asking yourself that question.
    I'm well aware what terrorism means but it's unclear that you understand.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    TheNextEra;1059007660]Dropping the bombs on Japan is the exact definition of terrorism. It was used to terrorize the Japanese into surrendering. Hence terrorism.

    You can try and justify it all you want, but the shear power, size, and eventually civilian causality loss was far beyond simply a "military target". It was meant to terrorize and it worked.
    No, it didn't work, which is why the second bomb was dropped and then, despite the objections of many Japanese who were determined to fight to the death, their emperor announced the cessation of the war. The Japanese people were quite prepared to fight to the death to protect their homeland, and this fact is well documented. Many livves were saved, British and American, as a result of the quick ending of the war.

    Twisting history about in order to vilify Americans is a tiresome game and, despite having nothing to do with the subject of this thread, is as old as America itself.
    I don't doubt for a second that if Al-Qaeda got their hands on a full nuke and detonated it in Ft. Bragg or Ft. Hood (a military target) that killed millions of civilians outside the base, you would be ranting and raving it was a terrorist attack.
    Al Qaeda always attacks innocent and unsuspecting civilians and will continue to do so. They are murderous cowards and that should be common knowledge by now.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why am I not surprised?
    Because people often get confused by the hypocritical nature of your arguments?
    Nowhere was I advocating terrorism. The idiot in the video was. My position is that we should eliminate those who advocate terrorism. That is not terrorism.

    This is the definition. "Terrorism is the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear".
    And you are talking about the calculated use of violence against a civilian to attain a political/ideological goal in this case.

    See, it's easy to get confused by your arguments when you contradict yourself.



    It seems you just don't get it. We are not concerned with those millions of Muslims who only want peace and to get along in their lives, look after their families, etc. They are not our concern, Our concern is only those who advocate and abet terrorism. There really is no need for your confusion.
    Yes, but you arbitrarily have decided that those who advocate terrorism are not civilians (ven though rhetoric is not enough to warrant combatant status). But the trust is that those who advocate terrorism without engagin in terrorism are still civilians. Which makes your advocacy of their elimination an advocacy of terrorism as well.

    I'm no longer confused by your hypocritical arguments becuase it is now clear that it is merely hypocricy.

    The fact is you don't know what to do, do you? You're hoping everything somehow magically works out and we eventually form a big circle, holding hands, and sing "All You Need Is Love". Right?
    Wow. What an utterly simplistic way to view the world. It must be nice to go through life believing that only two equally idiotic options are avaialable for major issues.

    You think advocating the murder of 300,000 innocent people is good and true???
    No. Reread what was writtin.

    I oppose all those who believe killing innocent people is justified, no matter what their motives.
    So you agre that hiroshima and Nagasaki were unjustifiable, then.

    Are you European?
    What would that have to do with anything? Are you South American?

    If there is anyone who is advocating the murder of 300,000 innocent Muslims I wouldn't fault them for shooting the guy. Someone should have done it with Hitler.
    People in this thread have supported the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese. Do you think they should be shot?


    Escalate how?
    By creating martyrs and creating an environment where it becomes readily apparent that we only pay lip service to preserving the lives of civilians.


    So you have another plan apart from taking out terrorism advocates, huh? Why not share it?
    Work in opposition to their rhetoric using diplomatic means and by changing the way the target demographic of their rhetoric views us. Don't prove their rhetoric correct by giving them more evidence supporting their current beliefs.

    But I'm sure you will view this as having a flower party or some other such mindless nonsense instead of a legitimate option.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Work in opposition to their rhetoric using diplomatic means and by changing the way the target demographic of their rhetoric views us. Don't prove their rhetoric correct by giving them more evidence supporting their current beliefs.
    Imagine that you are the President of the United States for a moment, and lay out for us exactly at this moment how you would go about this in detail please.


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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Probably its your lack of understanding of the Arab mindset. The Arabs respect force and the overt appearance of it, period. I've seen this as an --- in Israel, ---- and Saudi 8 times over the last --- years. Holding hands and "moving toward democracy" doesn't mean **** to Abu Banat with 12 kids if you can't back up the rhetoric with OPs aimed at the Arab street. Rabin used to call it "an iron fist in a velvet glove".Exactly. Enough fluff to keep things rolling and enough iron to flatten any problems.
    I don't think you have an understanding of the "arab" mindset at all given what you say here. Why should I believe that you can "educate" me when I see no evidence that would support such a hypothesis?






    I would never 'off' an "innocent" especially kids. Thats the difference
    So you haven't sat here justifying Hiroshima and Nagasaki repeatedly? Has someone else been posting under your username?

    One of the keys to winning a fight is knowing when the fight actually began. Most people continue to argue (diplomacy) long after the fight has actually started. And it usually started long before the first punch and if we keep looking to punish them for what they did instead of beating them to the punch, we will lose this thing.
    You realize that this type of reasoning could be used to justify 9/11 right? It's also the essential argument provided by the advocates of terrorism.

    I'm sure that you have a theory on when the fight between the US and the ME actually began, since you place a primacy on it. Perhaps you can share it. I'd love to see what you feel the "beginning" was.

    There is no excuse for a live terrorist - that, like all bad things in life, is a marksmanship issue. You shoot them in the face
    If the definition of terrorist that you are using is devoid of logical consistency, then eventually you will become one yourself and will use the same rationalizations to justify your own acts of terror.
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