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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Please don't put words in my mouth.
    Beg pardon. That appeared to be the conclusion.

    During the Afghan War (and indeed it is said to have been planned in anticipation of that war) the CIA/US, whatever, funded, armed and trained, along with encouraged the migration of, extreme Islamists.
    How do you recognize "extreme Islamics"?
    When these Islamist/Jihadists won against the Soviets, it influenced the Arab World massively.
    In what way?

    Then they were left to their own devices while the US was continually operating in the region, propping up dictators and supporting brutal regimes.
    Perhaps you can give a couple of examples here. It seems that most of the Islamic world is run by dictators, with or without the "propping up" of the United States.

    It's not directly the fault of the US - You raise a dog (I'm not equating Arabs with dogs BTW) to attack, sometimes it'll bite the master. Especially if the master isn't the nicest.
    So the Americans shouldn't help anyone. Does this pertain just to the Muslim world or is that a general rule?
    But I do believe us British shot ourselves in the foot when we decided to fight a war that had nothing to do with us.
    Quite right. And the next time you go looking for help from anyone in North America, Canadians or Americans, you may as well shoot yourselves in the other foot. I'm coming to regret Canada's involvement in WWII and expect many of your former Allies feel the same.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I did watch the video and what I saw was a lone radical being exploited by MEMRI...and you. You have much in common with the muslim radical, you both want to destroy the US.
    You obviously never watched the video or you wouldn't have said "lone radical" People were applauding so he obviously wasn't alone. Do you want to see more videos of "lone radicals"? Do you feel there is only this one? What makes you think i want to destroy the United States? Are you reading between the lines again?

    Why yes I do think Bush was the biggest recruiter for radical hatred against the US in the ME.
    So you don't know that there was terrorism well before 9/11? Or that the US was attacked on previous occasions before he was elected? Do you think 7/7 was a result of George Bush or the attacks in Bali, Israel, Nairobi, etc?

    "I certainly don't see you denying it, but only trying to cover it up, excuse it or lay blame where it doesn't belong".

    Why not use quotes?
    You would make Goebbels proud the way you use propaganda and illogical fallacy to diminish civil debate and discussion. Very impressive, Grant.
    You really don't know how the quote system works, do you?

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    The only fail is your fabricated claim that 150,000,000 to 225,000,000 Muslims are actively engaged in terrorism worldwide.
    I don't think it is much of a stretch at all to say that 85 - 90% of all significant terrorist incidents in the last 50 years have been perpetrated by Muslim terrorists and their supporters in the name of Islam.

    Nope, 85 - 90% ain't much of a stretch at all. We didn't hear Pentacostals saying, "We won't rest until the White House is destroyed." I believe it was a Muslim male, age 17-50, from known target countries. We can take them at their word unless there is evidence to the contrary

    Moving the goalposts again? Your claim was that 10 to 15 percent of Muslims worldwide actively engage in terrorism. You have yet to substantiate this claim.
    It doesn't matter if there are 100 or 1 billion, 10 - 15 % is not a stretch. We have to go with what we know. How do we know - they are active. If they are not committing incidents, then they are not yet terrorists by definition. Now, look at the incidents.

    Chechnya: Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade, Special Purpose Islamic Regiment, Movsar Baryayev Gang (he was fundalmentalist), Riyad us-Saliheyn Martyrs' Brigade, AQ, etc, etc

    You are not going to convert the True Believer.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    You obviously never watched the video or you wouldn't have said "lone radical" People were applauding so he obviously wasn't alone. Do you want to see more videos of "lone radicals"? Do you feel there is only this one?
    Obviously you didn't watch the video because there was only one radical Muslim speaking. ONE Muslim does not 1.5 BILLION Muslims make. I'm not interested in seeing anymore cherry picked selected videos by MEMRI. But would you like to see how Muslims are assimilating in the US inspite of your hate mongering against Muslims?

    Meet Miss USA, Rima Fakih an Arab Muslim...


    What makes you think i want to destroy the United States? Are you reading between the lines again?
    Your nationalist ethnic cleansing propaganda is the same as the Nazi's, that's why I think you are trying to destroy my country, Mr. Canuck.

    So you don't know that there was terrorism well before 9/11? Or that the US was attacked on previous occasions before he was elected? Do you think 7/7 was a result of George Bush or the attacks in Bali, Israel, Nairobi, etc?
    So you don't know about "collateral damage?" What do you expect from such arrogant US foreign policy, kisses and roses?

    "I certainly don't see you denying it, but only trying to cover it up, excuse it or lay blame where it doesn't belong".

    Why not use quotes?

    You really don't know how the quote system works, do you?
    Interesting, you still aren't denying it.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Obviously you didn't watch the video because there was only one radical Muslim speaking. ONE Muslim does not 1.5 BILLION Muslims make. I'm not interested in seeing anymore cherry picked selected videos by MEMRI.
    And yet a video with a few idiots at a tea party rally is proof that all conservatives are idiots.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And yet a video with a few idiots at a tea party rally is proof that all conservatives are idiots.
    Meh, I think it's a lot more than just one video at one little rally.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Meh, I think it's a lot more than just one video at one little rally.
    an-ec-dote [an-ik-doht] –noun
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    Something about that seems wrong.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I don't think it is much of a stretch at all to say that 85 - 90% of all significant terrorist incidents in the last 50 years have been perpetrated by Muslim terrorists and their supporters in the name of Islam.

    Nope, 85 - 90% ain't much of a stretch at all. We didn't hear Pentacostals saying, "We won't rest until the White House is destroyed." I believe it was a Muslim male, age 17-50, from known target countries. We can take them at their word unless there is evidence to the contrary



    It doesn't matter if there are 100 or 1 billion, 10 - 15 % is not a stretch. We have to go with what we know. How do we know - they are active. If they are not committing incidents, then they are not yet terrorists by definition. Now, look at the incidents.

    Chechnya: Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade, Special Purpose Islamic Regiment, Movsar Baryayev Gang (he was fundalmentalist), Riyad us-Saliheyn Martyrs' Brigade, AQ, etc, etc

    You are not going to convert the True Believer.
    "We have to go with what we know". Except you have already proven you fabricated the claim. Therefore, you do not even know, so have absolutely nothing to go on.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    "We have to go with what we know". Except you have already proven you fabricated the claim. Therefore, you do not even know, so have absolutely nothing to go on.
    It appears Muslims do support terrorism

    Where Terrorism Finds Support in the Muslim World - Pew Research Center

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    It would not be an "attempt".

    Why would anyone be terrified? He is encouraging his followers to murder at least 300,000 Americans. Shouldn't they expect a response?

    But, even if these people might be terrified following his assassination, wouldn't it be worth it to prevent the murder 300,000 Americans?
    Everyone who supports acts of terrorism believes that the acts are justified.

    They all have their own rationalizations for their beliefs, but ultimately they all buy into the "ends justify the means" mindset when the ends are something they feel strong enough about.

    Ultimately, everyone has something that they would justify acts of terror for because there is always something someone cares enough about that they would be willing to believe that the ends justify the means for that situation.

    And assasinating him wouldn't save 300,000 American lives. IMO, that's a very naive mindset.

    Have you watched the video?
    Of course. The contents of the video have no affect on my argument, though.

    Even if I agree with the conclusion that the world would be a better place with this douchebag in a pine box, I don't believe the ends would justify the means in this instance.
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