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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    The video is a sound byte of one radical Muslim fantasizing about the destruction of the US, but he doesn't represent the views 1.5 billion Muslims anymore than Glenn Beck represents the views of all conservatives. But isn't it ironic, both want the same thing.
    It is more than a "sound byte". And if you watchd the video you'd know it.

    But the best recruiter of all for Islamic extremists was Bush when he called the war on a terror a "crusade" and then invaded Iraq under false pretenses.
    Oh, so Muslims became terrorists because George Bush used the word "Crusade", huh? Do you think they are oversensitive or just naturally barbaric? It seems they don;t need much encouragement if that's all it takes. Would you murder someone for using a particular word?

    It seems you're only trying to change the subject, which is what the losing side always does.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    Oh, so Muslims became terrorists because George Bush used the word "Crusade", huh? Do you think they are oversensitive or just naturally barbaric? It seems they don;t need much encouragement if that's all it takes. Would you murder someone for using a particular word?
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    Operation Cyclone was mostly to blame for the modern Islamic extremists we see today. And the years leading up the implementation of it.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    Operation Cyclone was mostly to blame for the modern Islamic extremists we see today. And the years leading up the implementation of it.
    So the Americans deserved what happened on 9/11 because of operation cyclone?? And the British too on 7/7?

    Maybe you could explain this justification further.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    Quote Originally Posted by expandmymind View Post

    So the Americans deserved what happened on 9/11 because of operation cyclone?? And the British too on 7/7?

    Maybe you could explain this justification further.
    Please don't put words in my mouth.

    During the Afghan War (and indeed it is said to have been planned in anticipation of that war) the CIA/US, whatever, funded, armed and trained, along with encouraged the migration of, extreme Islamists. When these Islamist/Jihadists won against the Soviets, it influenced the Arab World massively. Then they were left to their own devices while the US was continually operating in the region, propping up dictators and supporting brutal regimes.

    It's not directly the fault of the US - You raise a dog (I'm not equating Arabs with dogs BTW) to attack, sometimes it'll bite the master. Especially if the master isn't the nicest.

    But I do believe us British shot ourselves in the foot when we decided to fight a war that had nothing to do with us.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Iman Rauf didn't have anything to do with 9/11.
    I did not say he did. Him not being directly involved does not mean he wasn't dancing on his prayer rug when 9-11 took place.

    Islam is a cult that PROMOTES MURDER, HATE AND THE SUBJUGATION OF OTHERS, they also are told that anything they do including lie, cheat and steal is okay as long as they get the result that shows praise for Allah.

    So deception is a given. As has been said by others this word be analogous to the Japanese building a War Memorial for fallen Japanese Military on Ford Island Hawaii
    near the site of Battleship Row.


    Try not defending a potential enemy it might be misunderstood by Patriots who could put one in the same category of Apologist in Chief Obama the "Great One" (NOT) and current leader of the blame America first club.

    And the rocket red glare!

    Those who stand for nothing fall for anything, and brothers and sisters that is foolish.

    I am not verbally attacking the Presidency just pointing out the truth about Obama as I see it! By the way I am not alone in not trusting the "Trifecta of Doom," Obama, Pelosi, Reid,

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    1% does not equal 10%-15%.

    Nice try, but once again you have failed miserably.
    You are failing miserably...

    How many of the people in Iraq actively supported the insurgents or AQ? How much of the population actively support the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Lets expand the question by changing one of the conditions. How many passively support.... The difference being, a passive supporter won't go out of his way to participate, give aid, assistance, etc., but neither will he do anything to impede?

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post

    I always said it was one percent according to the British survey, not ten or fifteen percent. Perhaps you should read through the survey and responses once more.
    ric27 was the first to claim that there are 150,000,000 to 225,000,000 Muslims actively engaged in terrorism worldwide. When I refuted this fabrication, you responded with a survey that says 99% of British Muslims saw the 7/7 attacks as wrong, as if that was a rebuttal to there not being 10-15% of Muslims actively engaged in terrorism worldwide.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You are failing miserably...
    The only fail is your fabricated claim that 150,000,000 to 225,000,000 Muslims are actively engaged in terrorism worldwide.
    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    How many of the people in Iraq actively supported the insurgents or AQ? How much of the population actively support the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Lets expand the question by changing one of the conditions. How many passively support.... The difference being, a passive supporter won't go out of his way to participate, give aid, assistance, etc., but neither will he do anything to impede?
    Moving the goalposts again? Your claim was that 10 to 15 percent of Muslims worldwide actively engage in terrorism. You have yet to substantiate this claim.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    It is more than a "sound byte". And if you watchd the video you'd know it.
    I did watch the video and what I saw was a lone radical being exploited by MEMRI...and you. You have much in common with the muslim radical, you both want to destroy the US.

    Oh, so Muslims became terrorists because George Bush used the word "Crusade", huh? Do you think they are oversensitive or just naturally barbaric? It seems they don;t need much encouragement if that's all it takes. Would you murder someone for using a particular word?

    It seems you're only trying to change the subject, which is what the losing side always does.
    Why yes I do think Bush was the biggest recruiter for radical hatred against the US in the ME. I certainly don't see you denying it, but only trying to cover it up, excuse it or lay blame where it doesn't belong. You would make Goebbels proud the way you use propaganda and illogical fallacy to diminish civil debate and discussion. Very impressive, Grant.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I did not say he did. Him not being directly involved does not mean he wasn't dancing on his prayer rug when 9-11 took place.
    Well, actually the Iman was not "dancing on his prayer rug" and was in fact helping the FBI and our government to seek out the radicals who helped to commit 9/11. The fact that the Iman has done more to help America fight against the radical Islamist extremists makes him more of an American than you could ever hope to be.

    Islam is a cult that PROMOTES MURDER, HATE AND THE SUBJUGATION OF OTHERS, they also are told that anything they do including lie, cheat and steal is okay as long as they get the result that shows praise for Allah.
    The radicals in the tea party belong to a cult too, and they have the same agenda to promote violence, hate and subjugation of others and they too are told that lying, cheating and stealing is okay as long it shows praise for the Lord.

    So deception is a given. As has been said by others this word be analogous to the Japanese building a War Memorial for fallen Japanese Military on Ford Island Hawaii
    near the site of Battleship Row....
    No, it wouldn't. Not even close.

    Try not defending a potential enemy it might be misunderstood by Patriots who could put one in the same category of Apologist in Chief Obama the "Great One" (NOT) and current leader of the blame America first club.
    We've got our hands full defending ourselves against an enemy right here on our own soil and they call themselves "patriots" but what they really are is radical far right extremists and rejects of civil society and if it weren't for wealthy elitists like the Bircher Koch's, funding and exploiting them for their own gain, the so called "patriots" would still be living under the rocks they crawled out from.

    And the rocket red glare!

    Those who stand for nothing fall for anything, and brothers and sisters that is foolish.
    Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, because..."Where they burn books, they will in the end burn people." - Heinrich Heine

    I am not verbally attacking the Presidency just pointing out the truth about Obama as I see it! By the way I am not alone in not trusting the "Trifecta of Doom," Obama, Pelosi, Reid,
    Well, that kind of ignorance is like an infectious disease spread by vermin, so it's not surprising that you aren't the only one with the disease.
    Last edited by Moot; 09-25-10 at 08:06 PM.

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