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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'd say that depends on whether or not you believe that the only use of an atomic device by the US in that World War, ended it, or was just a use or overuse of power. In any case I believe that the use saved lives by ending the war.

    I don't think you can compare the two unless you agree that we are at war with Islam.


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    I don't have to think that we are at war with Islam for that to be an accurate comparison. My beliefs have nothing whatsoever to do with the comparison.

    Also, it's interesting that you feel that killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese people saved lives. Do you mean the bombings saved American lives or do you mean lives in general (including Japanese lives)?
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't have to think that we are at war with Islam for that to be an accurate comparison. My beliefs have nothing whatsoever to do with the comparison.

    It's interesting that you feel that killing hundreds of thousands of japanese people saved lives. Do you mean the bombings saved American lives or do you mean lives in general (including Japanese lives)?

    It ended the war which in the long run means lives saved over all.


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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Murder is not a universal term. It varies from region to region. It has no merit when applied in global terms at all and only serves to provide emotional fodder for arguments of no real substance.
    Do you think this would be a good time for me to remind you that YOU used the term to describe the killing of terrorists?
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Do you think this would be a good time for me to remind you that YOU used the term to describe the killing of terrorists?
    Do you think that this would be a good time to remind you that I admitted that I was in error to do so at the end of post #411?

    But let's be honest, I was using the terms that the person I was debating had used to try and make my point that, from their perspective, what we do could be considered murder, just like from our perspective what they do could be considered murder.

    In essence, if we're doing the exact same thing they are, yet we demonize them for it while excusing ourselves, we are using malleable definitions to suit our arguments. that's always been my argument.

    I would prefer to look at things objectively and avoid the use of subjective terminology either by not using th eterms that have become subjectively used, or by being willing to use them in self-reference when applicable to remove the emotional aspect.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It ended the war which in the long run means lives saved over all.


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    Even though the radiation from these bombs kept on killing for quite some time with cancer and such? Some estimates of the total death toll are quite high.


    And how can you be so sure that it prevented deaths in a way that alternative means would not have if there were no alternatives attempted? (The Soviet's declaring war on Japan being one example that didn't have much time before the second bomb was dropped to determine efficacy)
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Even though the radiation from these bombs kept on killing for quite some time with cancer and such? Some estimates of the total death toll are quite high.


    And how can you be so sure that it prevented deaths in a way that alternative means would not have if there were no alternatives attempted? (The Soviet's declaring war on Japan being one example that didn't have much time before the second bomb was dropped to determine efficacy)

    But we are not left with what if's, only what actually happened, and the result was the ending of the war. A good thing.


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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But we are not left with what if's, only what actually happened, and the result was the ending of the war. A good thing.


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    The Nuclear Bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a purely political decision.

    Someone eloquantly put it, that those bombs were meant for Moscow. The US was afraid that the Communists could push further into Europe and start a new war with the west. The demostration of the A-Bomb ensured that, that would never happen. The Soviets would never screw with the states, with that firepower behind them.

    We could discuss the morality of it till the end of time. No point in that.

    But reasons for doing something are not always black and white.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But we are not left with what if's, only what actually happened, and the result was the ending of the war. A good thing.


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    You are th eone who used a what if, though. I'm talking about actual deaths that went on for a prolonged period becuse of those bombs.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Even though the radiation from these bombs kept on killing for quite some time with cancer and such? Some estimates of the total death toll are quite high.
    Japan and the Japanese are disgusting in their efforts to rewrite history and ignore the atrocities they committed while moaning about their status as the sole victims of nuclear attack.

    I call bull****

    Japan 1935-1945 is not Japan today. Addressing then specifically, they didn't have a high regard for life that wasn't Japanese. They were in perfect agreement with Nazi Germany regarding a Master Race, only it was Japanese. All other races were inferior. Japanese leadership was successful in creating a widespread "Bushido" spirit in the military, when it had previously applied only to Samurai, and even then, it wasn't as universal as portrayed by movies and myth. But in the context of WWII, it meant that an enemy who surrendered dropped in status even further.

    Now the big picture.....If Japan had developed atomic weapons, I have absolutely no doubt like many others here in these forums that they would have used them with great glee wherever and whenever they could for as long as they had weapons. They showed no hesitation when it came to bayonetting and beheading men, women, children and babies simply for sport.

    They even had challenges between Japanese Army officers in Nanking and written up with great pride in the Japanese Army newspaper. What was the challenge you ask? Who could behead the most Chinese in a single minute. So they went out and just gathered up a couple of hundred men and lined them up to be beheaded.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Japan and the Japanese are disgusting in their efforts to rewrite history and ignore the atrocities they committed while moaning about their status as the sole victims of nuclear attack.

    I call bull****

    Japan 1935-1945 is not Japan today. Addressing then specifically, they didn't have a high regard for life that wasn't Japanese. They were in perfect agreement with Nazi Germany regarding a Master Race, only it was Japanese. All other races were inferior. Japanese leadership was successful in creating a widespread "Bushido" spirit in the military, when it had previously applied only to Samurai, and even then, it wasn't as universal as portrayed by movies and myth. But in the context of WWII, it meant that an enemy who surrendered dropped in status even further.

    Now the big picture.....If Japan had developed atomic weapons, I have absolutely no doubt like many others here in these forums that they would have used them with great glee wherever and whenever they could for as long as they had weapons. They showed no hesitation when it came to bayonetting and beheading men, women, children and babies simply for sport.

    They even had challenges between Japanese Army officers in Nanking and written up with great pride in the Japanese Army newspaper. What was the challenge you ask? Who could behead the most Chinese in a single minute. So they went out and just gathered up a couple of hundred men and lined them up to be beheaded.
    International Military Tribunal for the Far East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Obviously as in Nazi Germany, not all could be brought to justice.

    But many higher ranking Japanese officials were.

    Everyone is well aware of the crimes they committed by their armed forces.

    However one COULD argue, the vast majority of deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were Civillian who did not commit those attrocities... Just sayin...

    In fact my dad visited Hiroshima. And the museum there does not put blame on the United States or demonize them. The Japanese government and the spirit of Hiroshima merely wishes that Nuclear Weapons never have to be used again in Human Conflict.

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