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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So what, .....So what,.....So what,....

    Apologist. Pure and simple


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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The only thing that matters is what they believe and what we are willing to do to defend ourselves.
    So yet again, if a Muslim is putting a battery in their cell phone you will commit murder. That's good to know and hopefully the cops will be there to arrest you and you will be put in jail for a very long time when it is found that the person just was wanting to call their family.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    Apologist. Pure and simple


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    You support terrorism against Muslims, plain and simple.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    You support terrorism against Muslims, plain and simple.

    No, I couldn't care less about Muslims, unless they are in a world wide quest for domination, and caliphate. In that case it is they who commit the acts of war. Unless you are saying that we should just lay prostrate before them and bow to their will?

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So yet again, if a Muslim is putting a battery in their cell phone you will commit murder. That's good to know and hopefully the cops will be there to arrest you and you will be put in jail for a very long time when it is found that the person just was wanting to call their family.
    This is a very dishonest way of debating someone.


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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is a very dishonest way of debating someone.


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    Noit really, when ric is claiming that all Muslims are a threat and talks about how he will shoot a Muslim. But then you not only support that notion, but thank him for it.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Noit really, when ric is claiming that all Muslims are a threat and talks about how he will shoot a Muslim. But then you not only support that notion, but thank him for it.

    Come on, be real for just one moment in your life. I don't apologize for my thanks, because what ric was saying is right on. Left to yours, and other liberal mindsets, this land would turn into what we see happening around the world today, do you know why?

    I can remember some years back having a debate with a liberal about the causation of terrorism against the West where the liberal stance was that we should do nothing, and ignore the attacks against us. My point was that how many Americans should have to die before liberals would say enough? Would my opponent in that debate think differently if it were his/her family member that was killed? Let's just say that my opponent was no more genuine than you are here with the conflation of what was said. Thing is, what you are doing with ric's words is BS, and it is weak, and you know it.

    If you have a point, why not make it honestly, instead of twisting another's words to make your point?


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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No you didn;t get it right.

    Your later guess would be more to the point, which would be 'a lone gunman, a politically motivated murder'.

    You do understand that this religious leader is advocating the murder of hundreds of thousands of people, right? That is terrorism. not the murder of one terrorist.

    And you thought I had an inaccurate definition of terrorism.


    Advocating for the murder of thousands of people is not terrorism.

    You and everyone else who takes a hard line stance on terrorism advocates for the murder of hundreds of thousands of people. By your own definition, you would be a terrorist.

    I don't use that flawed definition though because that flawed definition is ripe with double standards. I consider terrorism to be the premeditated killing (or attempts to kill) civilians for political gain.

    Regardless of his rhetoric, if he isn't involved in the actual acts or planning of the acts, he is still just a civilian. Killing him for political reasons would be an act of terrorism.

    The only reason to alter the definition I've presented is to pretend to have moral superiority to the enemy for not engaging in the same tactics (but it's a false sense of superiority because the tactics are identical, the only real difference is the equivocation used to rename the behavior when employed by 'the good guys').

    Personally, I'd take a different approach. If I was in favor of this guy being killed for his rhetoric, I would be in favor of terrorism being used against my enemies. Thus, in order to claim the moral high ground, I would have to create a moral basis for my advocacy of terrorism. It's an honest approach.

    Thankfully for me, my moral standards aren't that flexible. If I oppose terrorism, I oppose it regardless of the ideology it is promoting, even if it's my own.



    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    1 By their very nature, terrorist cannot be defeated by waiting for the events to occur or arresting suspected terrorists for conspiracy or some such. Once the event occurs, the terrorist insurgent has already one - punishment is irrelevant..

    2 Putting hard core terrorists in jail accomplishes jack****. There is no deterrent factor and they win by being allowed to speak at trial...and

    3 There is only one solution - shoot him dead while he's putting the battery in the cell phone - or before.
    Correct me if I'm misunderstanding this. It appears that you are advocating terrorism, but only when it used to promote your ideology. Is this correct?
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    And you thought I had an inaccurate definition of terrorism.


    Advocating for the murder of thousands of people is not terrorism.

    You and everyone else who takes a hard line stance on terrorism advocates for the murder of hundreds of thousands of people. By your own definition, you would be a terrorist.

    I don't use that flawed definition though because that flawed definition is ripe with double standards. I consider terrorism to be the premeditated killing (or attempts to kill) civilians for political gain.

    Regardless of his rhetoric, if he isn't involved in the actual acts or planning of the acts, he is still just a civilian. Killing him for political reasons would be an act of terrorism.

    The only reason to alter the definition I've presented is to pretend to have moral superiority to the enemy for not engaging in the same tactics (but it's a false sense of superiority because the tactics are identical, the only real difference is the equivocation used to rename the behavior when employed by 'the good guys').

    Personally, I'd take a different approach. If I was in favor of this guy being killed for his rhetoric, I would be in favor of terrorism being used against my enemies. Thus, in order to claim the moral high ground, I would have to create a moral basis for my advocacy of terrorism. It's an honest approach.

    Thankfully for me, my moral standards aren't that flexible. If I oppose terrorism, I oppose it regardless of the ideology it is promoting, even if it's my own.





    Correct me if I'm misunderstanding this. It appears that you are advocating terrorism, but only when it used to promote your ideology. Is this correct?
    You are failing to acknowledge one key element in your rationalization here, namely, that the targets of terrorism are random civilians chosen for the fact they are ordinary citizens, whereas your scenario here is played out with a person chosen for their contribution TO the terrorism. It is a targeted assasination rather than an act of terrorism, itself.

    By your rationalizations, had Goebels not commited suicide and was brought to trial at Nurenberg, you would have found him innocent.
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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Come on, be real for just one moment in your life. I don't apologize for my thanks, because what ric was saying is right on. Left to yours, and other liberal mindsets, this land would turn into what we see happening around the world today, do you know why?

    I can remember some years back having a debate with a liberal about the causation of terrorism against the West where the liberal stance was that we should do nothing, and ignore the attacks against us. My point was that how many Americans should have to die before liberals would say enough? Would my opponent in that debate think differently if it were his/her family member that was killed? Let's just say that my opponent was no more genuine than you are here with the conflation of what was said. Thing is, what you are doing with ric's words is BS, and it is weak, and you know it.

    If you have a point, why not make it honestly, instead of twisting another's words to make your point?


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    These are not LIBERAL attitudes being expressed here, J-Mac. The particular sophistry being offered represents the near antithesis of liberal ideology. Just because many individuals label themselves as "liberal", that does not mean what they vomit forth has anything to do with liberalism.
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