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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    With a US population of only 300 million and with 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, if they were all terrorists don't you think we would know it by now? Think, Grant, think.
    Quote, Maroon! Quote! Read, Man! Read! Comprehend, Lefty, Comprehend!

    You didn't watch the tape either, right???

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Read for yourself, ric.....

    Frequently Asked Questions | Cordoba
    From your link...

    Why Cordoba?
    The name Cordoba was chosen carefully to reflect a period of time during which Islam played a monumental role in the enrichment of human civilization and knowledge. A thousand years ago Muslims, Jews, and Christians coexisted and created a prosperous center of intellectual, spiritual, cultural and commercial life in Cordoba, Spain.
    There are many inaccuracies...

    1 Muslims were there because they invaded (murdering/pillaging/burning) and conquered most of the Iberian Peninsula.

    2 Christians and Jews were dhimmi and had to pay a tax

    3 Christians and Jews were NOT given equal rights by their Muslim conquerors

    So, Cordoba is being cited, erroneously or incorrectly, as a distinction/condition of a time when Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together and flourished.

    Not true

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Here's a poll taken a few years ago in Britain.

    Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph
    That is a poll that says 40% of Muslims in Britain support applying Sharia law to predominantly Muslim areas of Britain. That is not a poll that shows that 10 to 15 percent of Muslims worldwide (150 to 225 million) are actively engaged in terrorism. Otherwise, the claim was fabricated just as I stated numerous times. Supporting Sharia law is not the equivalent of engaging in terrorism.

    Now here's some things you didn't bother reading from your Google'd link:

    The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.

    91 per cent still say they feel loyal to Britain.

    Forty per cent of the British Muslims surveyed said they backed introducing sharia in parts of Britain, while 41 per cent opposed it.


    Now your own link defeated your argument. And the funny thing is that "poll" was a sample size of 500 instead of 1,000. That already creates a bigger margin of error.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If we were to extrapolate from this poll, and using 1.6 billion as the niumber of Muslims in the world, then 40% of Muslims who are sympathetic to terrorism is a great many, And if one percent of them support terrorism in Britan, that's about 30,000 Islamic terrorists there.
    Where did you deduce the part I made bold from the poll you cited? You are misinterpreting the statistics. Mind sharing the twisted logic you are using to come up with these asinine numbers?


    One percent of 1.6 billion is a great many people who think terorism is right. And most Muslims haven't had the softening that the 'multiculturalism philosophy' in the UK is thought to bring bring.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    That is a poll that says 40% of Muslims in Britain support applying Sharia law to predominantly Muslim areas of Britain. That is not a poll that shows that 10 to 15 percent of Muslims worldwide (150 to 225 million) are actively engaged in terrorism. Otherwise, the claim was fabricated just as I stated numerous times. Supporting Sharia law is not the equivalent of engaging in terrorism.

    Now here's some things you didn't bother reading from your Google'd link:

    The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.

    91 per cent still say they feel loyal to Britain.

    Forty per cent of the British Muslims surveyed said they backed introducing sharia in parts of Britain, while 41 per cent opposed it.


    Now your own link defeated your argument. And the funny thing is that "poll" was a sample size of 500 instead of 1,000. That already creates a bigger margin of error.


    Where did you deduce the part I made bold from the poll you cited? You are misinterpreting the statistics. Mind sharing the twisted logic you are using to come up with these asinine numbers?


    One percent of 1.6 billion is a great many people who think terorism is right. And most Muslims haven't had the softening that the 'multiculturalism philosophy' in the UK is thought to bring bring.
    [/QUOTE]

    Yes, i realize that supporting Shariia is not engaging in terrorism.....

    "The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity".

    I'm obviously talking of the other one percent.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So your answer to terrorism is terrorism?
    1 By their very nature, terrorist cannot be defeated by waiting for the events to occur or arresting suspected terrorists for conspiracy or some such. Once the event occurs, the terrorist insurgent has already one - punishment is irrelevant..

    2 Putting hard core terrorists in jail accomplishes jack****. There is no deterrent factor and they win by being allowed to speak at trial...and

    3 There is only one solution - shoot him dead while he's putting the battery in the cell phone - or before.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Quote, Maroon! Quote! Read, Man! Read! Comprehend, Lefty, Comprehend!

    You didn't watch the tape either, right???
    Selective Memri. I am well aware of Memri's cherry picking out the fanatics from the Arab world and broadcasting it to the world, but I would not put any more importance on them than I would Pat Robertson....

    "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department


    Memri oozes with bias.....
    Middle East Media Research Institute - SourceWatch

    Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations told the Washington Times: "Memri's intent is to find the worst possible quotes from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible."

    Again, if 1.5 billion Muslims were all terrorists you can be sure we would know by now. Comprende, Grant?

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Selective Memri. I am well aware of Memri's cherry picking out the fanatics from the Arab world and broadcasting it to the world, but I would not put any more importance on them than I would Pat Robertson....
    So you think MEMRI faked that video?

    You believe that Pat Robertson would also discuss murdering, and approving of, the murder of 300,000 people?

    Do you feel this should be kept secret and not "broadcast to the world". Why do you suppose his listeners laughed and applauded?

    "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department
    And you feel that Pat Robertson was serious?

    Have you watched this video? Do you think this Muslim leader is joking also?

    So you think MEMRI is "biased" in showing this video. if you were to watch the video I think you'd see that it is the Muslim fanatic who is "Biased".

    Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations told the Washington Times: "Memri's intent is to find the worst possible quotes from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible."
    CAIR??? Are you familiar with them? As you can see by their response, they are only interested in covering for Islamic craziness.

    Can you explain why they are attacking MEMRI instead of this religious freak?

    Again, if 1.5 billion Muslims were all terrorists you can be sure we would know by now. Comprende, Grant?
    If all Muslims were terrorists there would be no problem in pointing them put, would it Maroon? Do you comprende that?

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
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    3 There is only one solution - shoot him dead while he's putting the battery in the cell phone - or before.
    So the next time a Muslim is putting a battery in their cell phone you are going to shoot them, very good to know.

    Hey Mods, does this constitute violence yet against a person that follows the Muslim religion?
    Last edited by TheNextEra; 09-22-10 at 01:43 AM.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So the next time a Muslim is putting a battery in their cell phone you are going to shoot them, very good to know.

    Hey Mods, does this constitute violence yet against a person that follows the Muslim religion?
    It matters little what the chances are of the caliphate rising if they are willing to kill 3k citizens to make it so. The only thing that matters is what they believe and what we are willing to do to defend ourselves.

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    Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    From your link...

    There are many inaccuracies...

    1 Muslims were there because they invaded (murdering/pillaging/burning) and conquered most of the Iberian Peninsula.
    So what, the Christians were there because they invaded and conquered too.

    2 Christians and Jews were dhimmi and had to pay a tax
    So what, when the Christians were in control the Muslims and Jews had to pay tax. After the Christians had complete control there was the Inquisition and the Spaniards along with the Europeans were the most brutal people in all history.

    3 Christians and Jews were NOT given equal rights by their Muslim conquerors
    So what, the Muslims and Jews were not given equal rights when the Christians conquered.

    So, Cordoba is being cited, erroneously or incorrectly, as a distinction/condition of a time when Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together and flourished.
    Really?....

    ...In the 10th-11th centuries Córdoba was one of the most advanced cities in the world, as well as a great cultural, political, financial and economic centre. The Great Mosque of Córdoba dates back to this time; under caliph Al-Hakam II Córdoba received what was then the largest library in the world, housing from 400,000 to 1,000,000 volumes.....read

    Al-Hakam II succeeded to the Caliphate after the death of his father Abd ar-Rahman III in 961. He secured peace with the Christian kingdoms of northern Iberia, and made use of the stability to develop agriculture through the construction of irrigation works. Economical development was also encouraged through the widening of streets and the building of markets....edit....During his reign, a massive translation effort was undertaken, and many books were translated from Latin and Greek into Arabic. He formed a joint committee of Arab Muslims and Iberian Mozarab Christians for this task.....read

    Córdoba, Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Al-Hakam II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Not true
    Yes true.
    Last edited by Moot; 09-22-10 at 02:45 AM.

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