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Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

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Tucker Case;1059009954]Why do you continue to present it as though the only options available are two equally asinine choices?

You're welcome to contribute your own asinine options, choices and scenarios.

What are they?
 
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So Ric and Grant.

Ric I have asked you this question in the past but not got a response.

What do you propose we do?

Should we expel or kill all muslims in the western world to protect us from their evil? Since they're such a threat to us.

I would like your answer please...
 
Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

So Ric and Grant.

Ric I have asked you this question in the past but not got a response.

What do you propose we do?

Should we expel or kill all muslims in the western world to protect us from their evil? Since they're such a threat to us.

I would like your answer please...


I wouldn't say expel, or kill necessarily, but we should be more closely monitoring them, and when we find out that they are tied to extremists, we then expel them. One thing is for sure, this guilt ridden avoidance of addressing the problem for fear of offending them is not going to work, and they know it.


j-mac
 
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Is it your belief that only asinine options exist?

Perhaps I was being a little hasty and judgmental.

What are your options, choices and long term scenarios?
 
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Perhaps I was being a little hasty and judgmental.

What are your options, choices and long term scenarios?

They've already been discussed with j-mac earlier in this thread. I assure you they didn't involve throwing pizza parties with terrorists or some other such silliness.
 
Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

So Ric and Grant.

Ric I have asked you this question in the past but not got a response.

What do you propose we do?

Should we expel or kill all muslims in the western world to protect us from their evil? Since they're such a threat to us.

I would like your answer please...

I think the leading option is to issue a fatwa-like indictment and reward against any adult who advocates the murder of an individual or group of individuals. Perhaps $1 million would do the trick.

This would lead to less loss of life over the long term as well as pointing out the dangers of advocating terrorism. It would need to be supported by the democratic values and ideas that we can all somehow get along without having to resort to violence, that free speech and expression are worthwhile additions to a civilized society, and that we must all develop a thicker skin if we are to save our children from this cycle of violence..

What would be your plan?
 
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Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

So Ric and Grant.

Ric I have asked you this question in the past but not got a response.

What do you propose we do?

Should we expel or kill all muslims in the western world to protect us from their evil? Since they're such a threat to us.

I would like your answer please...

A bettr idea, would be for Muslims to recognize that there are rogue elements within their faith, that comit acts, that bring heat down all Muslims and do something to eradicate those elements, vice blaming everything on The United States.
 
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A bettr idea, would be for Muslims to recognize that there are rogue elements within their faith, that comit acts, that bring heat down all Muslims and do something to eradicate those elements, vice blaming everything on The United States.

They must be quite aware of that after all these years.

I'd prefer them to start speaking because sooner or later they'll be recognized as being part of the problem, and that can''t be good for anyone. It's noticeable that many "moderates" who do speak out vaguely against Islamic terrorism, often have a "but..." after their contribution.
 
Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

Ric I have asked you this question in the past but not got a response.

What do you propose we do?

Should we expel or kill all muslims in the western world to protect us from their evil? Since they're such a threat to us.

I would like your answer please...

Sure NP....Just keep it civil
 
Discussion of Islam and the problem does not require discussion of, or even mention of any other religion. Whatever similarities appear to be there are immaterial when taken in context with the differences not only in religion, but in the culture.

So bringing up any other belief system is counter productive and this thread, like every other one, will devolve into bashing plus infractions
 
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So, using your logic from before, you would therefore be OK with offing 99% of their population as long as it doesn't involve the small children? Is that correct?

I don't think genocide is necessary, but containment is.

Jet - It is my position that Islam is incompatible with Western values. If we are both to survive, then there must be separation
 
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Jet - It is my position that Islam is incompatible with Western values. If we are both to survive, then there must be separation

You know, the argument was once made in my country, that blacks were incapable of being in charge of a democracy. And that there must be seperation in order for whites to survive in South Africa. An idea that caught on quite well, and lasted for a long time...

So you support Apartheid against Muslims, is that what you're saying?
 
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I don't think genocide is necessary, but containment is.

Jet - It is my position that Islam is incompatible with Western values. If we are both to survive, then there must be separation

I say we go back to using Roman numerals:2razz:
 
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I guess all this talk of a ground zero Masque gave the terrorist renewed energy

You give them FAR too much credit. :roll:

If they are as radical as you claim. They didn't need it.

But please... Continue with your hyperbole scare tactic.
 
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You give them FAR too much credit. :roll:

If they are as radical as you claim. They didn't need it.

But please... Continue with your hyperbole scare tactic.

Not scare tactic just an observation of how close they are linked
 
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You know, the argument was once made in my country, that blacks were incapable of being in charge of a democracy. And that there must be seperation in order for whites to survive in South Africa. An idea that caught on quite well, and lasted for a long time...

So you support Apartheid against Muslims, is that what you're saying?

The problem presented by Islam is very complex and consequently, any solution will be too. The culture and the religion are intertwined and together, they create the spiral that is virtually impossible to break without eliminating one or the other.

I'll mention 2 scenarios and fused them together. What do you think the outcome would be?

1- We value freedom of expression, but the fact is, unless you severely hamper freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, etc., you can't prevent Imams and Mullahs from preaching what you don't want. If you dictate what can be preached and taught, you have to be able to enforce it.

2- Muslims outside of Muslim nations. In countries that espouse freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Unless you want the "radical" interpretations to flourish there, those populations will also have to be repressed in a manner that violates their civil rights in every western nation.
 
Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

The problem presented by Islam is very complex and consequently, any solution will be too. The culture and the religion are intertwined and together, they create the spiral that is virtually impossible to break without eliminating one or the other.

I'll mention 2 scenarios and fused them together. What do you think the outcome would be?

1- We value freedom of expression, but the fact is, unless you severely hamper freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, etc., you can't prevent Imams and Mullahs from preaching what you don't want. If you dictate what can be preached and taught, you have to be able to enforce it.

2- Muslims outside of Muslim nations. In countries that espouse freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Unless you want the "radical" interpretations to flourish there, those populations will also have to be repressed in a manner that violates their civil rights in every western nation.

You're warped dude.

Glad I don't live in your universe...
 
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You're warped dude.

Glad I don't live in your universe...

No tiddlywink spirit at all. The Horror...The Horror...A nightmare beyond the imagination of mortal man!

But there's only one way to know for yourself. Don't quit.

Tell me, what's your solution?
 
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