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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Actually, the building in use now and has been for quite some time.
    See....

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    WHAT ISNT RIGHT ABOUT BUILDING IT? WTF isnt right about building a mosque near the WTC memorial. Seems to me it would stand as a symbol that the terrorists (not muslims) DID NOT win. It would say that we will never become as intolerent as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon etc. It would say all Americans are in it together. It would say nothing disrespectful towards those who died in 2001. MANY of them innocent Muslims. As I said before, we can leave that to the "respectful gentleman's clubs" that happen to be next to the Memorial site.

    You can't tell me your point is that "it isn't right." We ask why!
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Is it just me or is it ironic that thier mosque will accept people of all faiths
    Mosques allow people of all faiths in order that they may receive Dawa. It's called prosteletyzing.

    Is it just me or is it ironic that the proponents of this victory Mega-Mosque are trying to label the Imam responsible for it one of those tolerant peaceful Muslims but continue to ignore the fact that he is showing blatant insensitivity by building the Mosque there despite the widespread opposition by both Muslim and non-Muslim members of the community which he is claiming to try to build bridges with, that they continue to ignore the fact that he labeled the U.S. an accessory to 9-11 and said OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after 9-11, that he refuses to condemn Hamas as a terorist organization, and that he is calling for a Sharia compliant US? It's not us trying to label all Muslims as terrorists it's you people trying to label all Muslims as peaceful and tolerant.

    , but the people of this "free" country won't?
    Again no one is arguing that they don't have the right to build their Mosque, we're saying it's not right for them to build there, just as it wouldn't be right to build a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica, or a U.S. Army Memorial at Wounded Knee.


    Oh yeah, its an issue about sensitivity. Like the strip clubs "on" ground zero. 1 plus 1 = 2.
    You're right, 1+1 = 2, Sharia Compliant U.S. + US Accessory to 9-11 = Islamist Radical building a victory mega-Mosque.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 08-20-10 at 11:24 PM.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It's a Mosque which doubles as an Islamic community center. I'm sure non-Muslims will be allowed to go there so that they can receive Dawa just as non-Christians are invited to Evangelical "community centers." Ya the Evangelical Mega-churches are community centers. If this was a community center they would be offering religious services to all members of the community and not just Muslim members of the community.
    The mosque will act separately with all the other activities they provide.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post

    Again no one is arguing that they don't have the right to build their Mosque, we're saying it's not right for them to build their, just as it wouldn't be right to build a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica, or a U.S. Army Memorial at Wounded Knee.

    You're right, 1+1 = 2, Sharia Compliant U.S. + US Accessory to 9-11 = Islamist Radical building a victory mega-Mosque.
    Victory mega mosque? Its a community center with a mosque, that will tolerate all religious beliefs, like so many Muslim (especially American Muslims) believe. Listen to these half truths you speak. Your intolerance masked with "it's about respect" is nauseating. Truly. Words like yours are about as far from fundementally American as one can get.

    Victory mega mosque. Holy ****. I quit.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    WHAT ISNT RIGHT ABOUT BUILDING IT?
    What isn't right about building a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, or an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebenica, or a U.S. Army Memorial at Wounded Knee?

    The fact of the matter is that the ideology held by all 19 men who flew planes into those buildings was Islam, is that a reflection on all Muslims? No, but neither is the holocaust a reflection on all Germans, or the Srebenica Massacre a reflection on all Christians, or Wounded Knee a refelection on all members of the U.S. military, but can you honestly assert that you would not question the motivations behind building those things at those places or that it would be in anyway appropriate?

    WTF isnt right about building a mosque near the WTC memorial. Seems to me it would stand as a symbol that the terrorists (not muslims) DID NOT win.
    And it seems to me like a victory shrine, if they wanted to do something to building bridges then they could have build a memorial to the victims of 9-11 which would have actually engendered goodwill from the American people towards the Muslim-American community, but they did something that only a fool wouldn't know would cause outrage and division.


    It would say that we will never become as intolerent as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon etc.
    A) Lebanon is not in the same category as Saudi Arabia or Iran.

    B) What separates us is not a blindness to outrageous actions but our willingness to allow them for the greater good of liberty while using our own freedom of assembly and speech to protest those actions rather than rely on the state to shut them down.

    It would say all Americans are in it together.
    This Imam is not in it with us, that much is clear, he is an enemy of liberty not a defender of it.

    It would say nothing disrespectful towards those who died in 2001. MANY of them innocent Muslims.
    Then you obviously would support a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz or an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebnica. If this was about honoring those lost on 9-11 they could have built something crazy like a memorial honoring those lost on 9-11.

    As I said before, we can leave that to the "respectful gentleman's clubs" that happen to be next to the Memorial site.

    You can't tell me your point is that "it isn't right." We ask why!
    Asked and answered, it's inappropriate for the location. Strippers did not fly planes into the buildings.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 08-20-10 at 11:21 PM.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by JakeFromWI View Post
    Victory mega mosque? Its a community center with a mosque,
    Ya just like the Evangelical Mega Churches are community centers. If it's a community center when will they be offering prayer services to non-Muslim members of the community?

    that will tolerate all religious beliefs,
    In order that they may offer them Dawa.

    like so many Muslim (especially American Muslims) believe. Listen to these half truths you speak. Your intolerance masked with "it's about respect" is nauseating. Truly. Words like yours are about as far from fundementally American as one can get.

    Victory mega mosque. Holy ****. I quit.
    There's absolutely no other conceivable reason to pick that location in particular.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The mosque will act separately with all the other activities they provide.
    Really? A spokesperson for the victory Mosque has issued a statement saying that they will not be offering Dawa to non-Muslims who use the facilities?

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You're answering a question that I didn't ****ing ask, ofcourse they have the right to build it, the point is that it isn't right that they're building it. It's offensive and insensitive. It's akin to building an Orthodox Cathedral at Srebrenica, or a German Cultural Center at Aushwitz, or a US Army Memorial at Wounded Knee. Are all Christians responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre? Did all Germans and their descendents perpetrate the Holocaust? Is wounded knee a reflection on all U.S. soldiers? The answer is no, but you would have to seriously questions the motivations behind the specific organizations which would suggest building such things at those particular places.
    I no longer buy the argument that the area where this Islamic Community Center/Mosque is to be built is "hallowed ground". I mean, when you have...

    ...a strip club called the New York Dolls gentleman's club, an off-track betting parlor, 17 pizza shops, 18 bank branches, 11 bars, 10 shoe stores and 17 salons where "a girl can get her lady parts groomed..."
    ...all within a 3-block radius of Ground Zero, it's very difficult for me to consider the area along the perimeter as sacred.

    From Yahoonows, "Facts don't calm debate over New York Islamic center," by William Douglas, McClatchy Newspapers dated 8/20/10
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I no longer buy the argument that the area where this Islamic Community Center/Mosque is to be built is "hallowed ground". I mean, when you have...



    ...all within a 3-block radius of Ground Zero, it's very difficult for me to consider the area along the perimeter as sacred.

    From Yahoonows, "Facts don't calm debate over New York Islamic center," by William Douglas, McClatchy Newspapers dated 8/20/10
    Strippers conducted the 9-11 attacks?

    I'm sure that the town of Srebenica has a bar and/or gentlemens club too, but does that mean that it would be appropriate to build an Orthodox Church there? Hardly.

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