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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Great post, a lot of good points. I'm so sick of this story by now. What I'm especially sick of is the people saying "nobody denies that they have the right to build it, we're just saying they shouldn't." Ok, great, you don't think they should build it. So? Why are you still talking?
    Because WE have the right to protest this clear intent at incitement.

    If you think they have the right to build it and shouldn't, you've said your peace, now go away and let them build it. The misinformation is so prevalent, though. As far as I know at this point, it's really not even a mosque. It has an area for Muslim prayer, but the vast majority of the space is delegated to a community center that anybody from any religion can go and use.
    It's a Mosque, call me when they start holding religious services for faiths other than Islam and then we can call it a community center.
    But we have to play this "well, I just think they shouldn't do it" game. So, fine, to those who oppose the mosque: I think you have the right to protest it, I just think you should shut up about it now. And then maybe Muslims will get the impression that America is a place of tolerance and understanding and welcoming for all people of all religions who want to co-exist peacefully.
    As if Islam has a thing to teach us about tolerance, understanding, and coexistence.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Plus it is a community centre that will be used for religious gatherings also.
    Really? And when will they be holding religious services for non-Muslim members of the community? It's a Mosque that doubles as an Islamic community center.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    She is no longer doing her show.
    Because she quit.

    Regardless of how it came about, her show has been stopped.
    By her.

    If you'd want it slightly more accurate in a technical way, The Dr. Laura show was "stopped" rather than "Dr Laura" herself.
    Because Dr. Laura stopped the Dr Laura show.

    Things can be "stopped" in ways other than the government involving itself. If something is being built and you get a petition of 2000 neighborhood people all saying we don't want your business here and that person decides based on that not to build his business, then his business was "Stopped" from being built. The stoppage wasn't forced on him, it wasn't mandated on him, but it stopped none the less.
    People usually just stop themselves. Dr. Laura could still be doing her show if she wanted to. She could even do it if nobody else was willing to broadcast it on their radio stations.

    She could turn it into an internet show, for example.

    She makes the choice not to, so she has simply stopped herself. This is a very important fact.

    Additionally, picketing and protesting outside a business to such a point that it just can't run successfully due to the negative publicity and they give up and pack up shop and stop running it laso is "stopping" it without the government.
    that would be stopping it from being profitable, which is something different from stopping it altogether. If a person wants to do something on principle, then it can't be stopped short of government intervention.

    My argument is simply that the notion that suggesting you hope to "stop" something doesn't mean you're wanting the government to step in and do something about it.
    Then you don't actually hope to "stop" someone from doing something (as you are not actually doing anything to stop them. In actuality, you hope to convince them to stop themselves. A protest is a form of argument designed to convince people that a choice they are making is a poor one.

    Is none governmental action really likely to "stop" this mosque? Probably not. But that doesn't change the fact that people saying they hope its stopped does not necessarily automatically mean due to government action.
    If people say "I hope this is stopped" or "This must be stopped", but they are not calling for govenrment intervention, they are going about things in a assbackwards fashion. They should shif their paradigm to be more reflective of the actual powe rthat they have: the power to convince. Demonizing one's opponent won't do that. It will only solidify their opposition to your position.

    Since the Imam has all of the power to control the decision (outside of government intervention) it means that attacking him personally by calling him a terrorist supporter and the other nonsense that has been spewed is impotent and self-defeating (He is getting the Dr Laura treatment regarding his previous comments. A bunch of hysterical gibberish that doesn't actually take th etime to notice the deeper meaning and accuracy inherent within the comments.)
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post


    Because Dr. Laura stopped the Dr Laura show.

    She aborted it, Tucker. It was an inconvenience to her, so she simply aborted it.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    She aborted it, Tucker. It was an inconvenience to her, so she simply aborted it.
    So she turns out to be pro-choice afterall.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Really? And when will they be holding religious services for non-Muslim members of the community? It's a Mosque that doubles as an Islamic community center.
    If that's true, then I spent two years at a mosque that doubled as a state college.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    If that's true, then I spent two years at a mosque that doubled as a state college.
    So then this State College offered religious services to Muslims and only Muslims? Then it wasn't a state college and if it is I would like to know the name because I intend to file suit for violation of the Establishment Clause as State Colleges receive Federal and State financial backing.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    The blame for the hoopala lies equally with the media and Rep opportunists. Just another form of political Gotcha...

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    WOW!!!!!!!! Imagine that?....... 54% of the people in the US are Republican opportunists.... who would have known? >>

    The 54 percent shows just how effective the negative media blitz was and still is.

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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    The blame for the hoopala lies equally with the media and Rep opportunists. Just another form of political Gotcha...

    ricksfolly

    WOW!!!!!!!! Imagine that?....... 54% of the people in the US are Republican opportunists.... who would have known? >>

    The 54 percent shows just how effective the negative media blitz was and still is.

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    You forgot the 50% dems and independents that are Republican opportunists.
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    Re: Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    You forgot the 50% dems and independents that are Republican opportunists.
    And anyone else who doesn't follow lock step with ricksfolly's opinion... is a Republican opportunist... wonder if that extends to wildlife and the insect world.
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