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Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

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because instead of IMPROVING relations it actually appears to be WORSENING them

listen
 
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Moot said:
Yeah, so the promoters have given reasons they want to build it. And what are those reasons if not to build a new mosque to replace the ones lost in the WTC?
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To promote unity with all people
 
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The Prof said:
because instead of IMPROVING relations it actually appears to be WORSENING them

listen
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A while back when the Vietnam memorial was built many of a person complained about the aesthetics of the memorial. Now it is one of the top visited sites in DC. Maybe the same could happen with this Mosque over a period of time and we all could increase our understandings of each other.
 
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An interesting read is "Son of Hamas" by Mosab Yousef son of Hassan Yousef a founding member of Hamas.
Mosab Yousef recieved "political asylum" in the U.S.
 
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winston53660 said:
A while back when the Vietnam memorial was built many of a person complained about the aesthetics of the memorial. Now it is one of the top visited sites in DC. Maybe the same could happen with this Mosque over a period of time and we all could increase our understandings of each other.
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can't happen cuz it will never be built
 
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The Prof said:
can't happen cuz it will never be built
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So then you and the other Muslim haters have nothing to worry about. You may troll another thread.
 
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Moot said:
Okay, I can agree with that.
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That can never happen because Muslim beliefs and teachings are not compatible with the freedoms and restrictions found in the US Constitution.

All Muslims believe that Sharia law is the will of Allah and a secular government which sets itself as superior to any religious law, is not tolerable in Islam...So, how on earth can there be a bridge of "unity" with them?
 
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ric27 said:
That can never happen because Muslim beliefs and teachings are not compatible with the freedoms and restrictions found in the US Constitution.

All Muslims believe that Sharia law is the will of Allah and a secular government which sets itself as superior to any religious law, is not tolerable in Islam...So, how on earth can there be a bridge of "unity" with them?
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Not "all" Muslims believe the same about Sharia. And there are some Muslim countries that are secular democracies, and there some that are a blend of constitutional secular democracy and sharia law, and there are some that are completely sharia. So it is not impossible to have "unity" with Muslims....
"All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but differ as to what exactly it entails.[1] Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia as well....

Muslim states with blended sources of law: Muslim countries including Pakistan, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan, Morocco and Malaysia have legal systems strongly influenced by Sharia, but also cede ultimate authority to their constitutions and the rule of law. These countries conduct democratic elections, although some are also under the influence of authoritarian leaders. In these countries, politicians and jurists make law, rather than religious scholars. Most of these countries have modernized their laws and now have legal systems with significant differences when compared to classical Sharia.[38]
Sharia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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The bridge to unity comes from reason and understanding.
 
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Moot said:
Not "all" Muslims believe the same about Sharia. And there are some Muslim countries that are secular democracies, and there some that are a blend of constitutional secular democracy and sharia law, and there are some that are completely sharia. So it is not impossible to have "unity" with Muslims....


The bridge to unity comes from reason and understanding.
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From your quote All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law

Islam is a coordinated political-social-religious structure that requires total submission....

Again, how can you achieve unity? Can you answer the question?
 
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ric27 said:
From your quote All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law

Islam is a coordinated political-social-religious structure that requires total submission....

Again, how can you achieve unity? Can you answer the question?
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But there are many versions of Sharia Law that not all Muslims agree on. And I did answer your question.....

The bridge to unity is reason and understanding.
 
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Moot said:
But there are many versions of Sharia Law that not all Muslims agree on. And I did answer your question.....

The bridge to unity is reason and understanding.
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Do you think stoning is a form of terrorism (death penalty by stoning)

You know, throwing stones against a woman...crushing her face and hands until she dies.
 
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Moot said:
The bridge to unity is reason and understanding.
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The only bridge to unity is for everyone to become Muslims.

After that the problem will be which sect.
 
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Grant said:
The only bridge to unity is for everyone to become Muslims.

After that the problem will be which sect.
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Agreed. In the Muslim world, there is no "radical" Islam or "moderate" Islam. There is only Islam. Moderate is a fabrication created by westerners who don't understand Islam and used by Muslims to keep the deception going.

Deception is a part of their war.
 
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ric27 said:
Do you think stoning is a form of terrorism (death penalty by stoning)

You know, throwing stones against a woman...crushing her face and hands until she dies.
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Do all Muslims stone women? No. But you can find extremism in all religions and Christianity most certainly isn't immune. The insane asylum is full of Jesus Christs.
 
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Moot said:
Do all Muslims stone women? No. But you can find extremism in all religions and Christianity most certainly isn't immune. The insane asylum is full of Jesus Christs.
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Do you think stoning is a form of terrorism? yes or no
 
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Moot - Whats behind namimg the Islamic center as Cordoba?
 
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Grant said:
Here's a poll in the UK that might shed some light..

Of course the British have had some time to soften Muslims attitudes toward the infidels but there still seems to be some holdbacks. If the one percent in Britain feel that we infidels should die through terrorism, that's still a significant amount. Extrapolate that that internationally and you've got quite a few who feel it's time for us to go to our own private hell.
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Where's the poll LMAO?

C'mon, give me something that even remotely suggests there are 150 to 225 million Muslims worldwide actively engaged in terrorism.

Something that isn't from your homepage (JihadWatch, DanielPipes, other non-credible sites).
 
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Moot said:
Do all Muslims stone women? No. But you can find extremism in all religions and Christianity most certainly isn't immune. The insane asylum is full of Jesus Christs.
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Would you ever belong to a religion that stoned women? Or publicly hanged young Gays?

This is more than being "extreme". It is barnaric murder and every Muslim, if they are honest human beings, should have second thoughts about belonging to an organization which allows this medieval practice to be a part of their religion.

How can we respect anyone who remains silent about this barbarity?

I certainly wouldn't.

And attempting relativism between Christianity and Islamism is flat out stupid. If Christians begin murdering women and gays for what they consider to be "immoral acts" then we should immediately get all over their case too. But the problem is Muslims, not Christians.
 
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Degreez said:
Where's the poll LMAO?

C'mon, give me something that even remotely suggests there are 150 to 225 million Muslims worldwide actively engaged in terrorism.

Something that isn't from your homepage (JihadWatch, DanielPipes, other non-credible sites).
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Here's a poll taken a few years ago in Britain.

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph

If we were to extrapolate from this poll, and using 1.6 billion as the niumber of Muslims in the world, then 40% of Muslims who are sympathetic to terrorism is a great many, And if one percent of them support terrorism in Britan, that's about 30,000 Islamic terrorists there.

One percent of 1.6 billion is a great many people who think terorism is right. And most Muslims haven't had the softening that the 'multiculturalism philosophy' in the UK is thought to bring bring.
 
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Degreez said:
Where's the poll LMAO?

C'mon, give me something that even remotely suggests there are 150 to 225 million Muslims worldwide actively engaged in terrorism.

Something that isn't from your homepage (JihadWatch, DanielPipes, other non-credible sites).
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Sorry about that. Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph

Where did you find any inaccuracies with David Pipes or Jihad Watch?
 
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This is what he teaches and most definitely applauded by his students


 
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ric27 said:
This is what he teaches and most definitely applauded by his students


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The ignorant Leftists probably won't watch this all the way through but will instead contnue with their "Not all Muslims are terrorists" mantra.

But of course not all Muslims need be terrorists in order to see their ambitions through.

Someone has to off guys like this and it should be someone from within the Muslim community. Otherwise it will become easier to say that indeed, all Muslims are terrorists.
 
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