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Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

So then this State College offered religious services to Muslims and only Muslims? Then it wasn't a state college and if it is I would like to know the name because I intend to file suit for violation of the Establishment Clause as State Colleges receive Federal and State financial backing.

You wouldn't be the first to do that. Trust me, it's in Minneapolis and I'd rather not say the name of the college, but I guarantee you that you'll have no problem finding it and about a hundred editorials attacking it for it's repeated attempts to cater to the Muslim students. And I don't support those attempts to cater to them. It hasn't been equal.

EDIT: I'm not sure if they receive federal funding... they're associated with a Minnesota State College but I don't know how their financing works. I know they get State funding, though.
 
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While not "pure evil" mainstream Islam is certainly violent and oppressive. It's in fact moderates who are on the fringe; such as, the Sufi's who are seen as heretics by the rest of the major Islamic sects.

While perhaps true in nations like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, where extremists like the Taleban or the Wahabists are in control, there are plenty of Muslim nations that are stable and important in the international community -- and that stability comes from a stable population. Nations like Turkey, Croatia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan (really, all of the former Soviet Republic nations now governed by Muslim majorities) are all stable, non-radical nations that are self-proclaimed Muslim nations (except, perhaps Croatia, which doesn't consider itself a Muslim nation but nonetheless has a massive Muslim population).

I think Americans often pgieon-hole "Islam" as "Unstable Middle-Eastern Nations That Spawn Extremist Terrorists" -- and while no one is debating that the latter category is dangerous, it's a fallacy to believe that its directly correlated to the former.
 
While perhaps true in nations like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan, where extremists like the Taleban or the Wahabists are in control, there are plenty of Muslim nations that are stable and important in the international community -- and that stability comes from a stable population. Nations like Turkey, Croatia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan (really, all of the former Soviet Republic nations now governed by Muslim majorities) are all stable, non-radical nations that are self-proclaimed Muslim nations (except, perhaps Croatia, which doesn't consider itself a Muslim nation but nonetheless has a massive Muslim population).

I think Americans often pgieon-hole "Islam" as "Unstable Middle-Eastern Nations That Spawn Extremist Terrorists" -- and while no one is debating that the latter category is dangerous, it's a fallacy to believe that its directly correlated to the former.

Are any of those countries governed by Sharia law? If not then they are not Muslim nations they are secular nations with a Muslim majority, but I have already stated that I have no problem with secular Muslims but this Imam is not secular he is an overt Islamist. All Isamists aspire for Sharia governance and Sharia governance would entail the criminilzation of apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, premarital sex, and discriminatiory civil law based on gender and religion, and currently the Ijma in all 5 schools of Islamic Fiqh those 4 aforementioned acts are not only criminal but corporal and/or capital offenses.

While not to informed about the others I know for a fact that Turkey explicitly bans Islamist political parties from participating in elections right in their Constitution.
 
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You are conspiracy theorist living in a fantasy world. I would say more but don't wish to get thread banned.

You really behave like an agent. To ban other's mouth so no one can argue with you? What a convenient way.

With the fake issue "Mosque on Ground Zero", they successfully skipped another 911 aniversary which people usually demand the truth. Do you find how they make "Mosque in Ground Zero" a noisy market and the "Burning the Kulan" a hot issue as well? While the media rarely touch the topic of 911 truth even though it is a much more important issue.
 
You really behave like an agent. To ban other's mouth so no one can argue with you? What a convenient way.

With the fake issue "Mosque on Ground Zero", they successfully skipped another 911 aniversary which people usually demand the truth. Do you find how they make "Mosque in Ground Zero" a noisy market and the "Burning the Kulan" a hot issue as well? While the media rarely touch the topic of 911 truth even though it is a much more important issue.


OMG....:roll: :lamo


j-mac
 
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I am confused as to why stripper joints are good.. .. ..house of worship is bad. This is such nonsense. It was a convenient wedge issue that wasn't an issue in the beginning until some blogger started this BS.



How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began

Oh ye of little faith. Little faith in the bible. Little faith in this country's constitution. Scared of the boggey.man.
 
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I am confused as to why stripper joints are good.. .. ..house of worship is bad. This is such nonsense. It was a convenient wedge issue that wasn't an issue in the beginning until some blogger started this BS.

Oh ye of little faith. Little faith in the bible. Little faith in this country's constitution. Scared of the boggey.man.

Are you simply incapable of remembering what happened on 9/11 2001 you choose to compare strippers to the murder of 3000 people? Is your logic that far gone?
 
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I am confused as to why stripper joints are good.. .. ..house of worship is bad.

You're right.

Since devout muslims have a bad habit of going to strip joints the night before they commit mass murder we shouldn't have a titty-bar on Ground Zero, just like we shouldn't have a mosque memorializing their martyrdom on Ground Zero.
 
This would cause me to begin to respect Islam just a tiny bit if this turns out to be true.

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A tiny bit.... really?

Some are you a making this a huge issue, and even if they comprised with you they would just a "tin bit" of respect.

Your respect for Islam should have nothing to do with respecting or failing to respect their rights.

I think the guy who the Quran on 9/11 embarrassed America, but he shouldn't have lost his government job because I still respect his rights. I think it's flawed to only get angry when person rights are violated in this issue.

And just because of this, I hope they don't move the build site. You have to learn what freedom really means.
 
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Are you simply incapable of remembering what happened on 9/11 2001 you choose to compare strippers to the murder of 3000 people? Is your logic that far gone?

How did I do that? I just don't agree with all the hoopla or that this is a conquest mosque for Muslims. Plus, the Muslim nation did not commit 911. The rationale for the attitudes about this is irrational. The deaths and maiming of our soldiers in two wars with countries where NONE of the terrorists were from makes NO sense. To damn near bankrupt our country by waring on two countries makes no sense. If I were one of the victims of 911 I would be rolling over in my grave at what BushCo did in my name. To think we can control or rid the world of terrorists who are Muslim is like thinking we can rid NYC of rats or Florida of Palmetto bugs. All we did was stir up a hornet's nest of epic proportion.
 
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There are also 9/11 families who support the Mosque, and a way more Muslims who support the mosque.. why does anybody's feelings matter?

It doesn't make building the mosque less valid because a couple of Muslims are against it.. The fact is, it's an issue or respecting the constitutional rights of a specific group.. and I am not surprised that some in the minority want to appease the majority. Because there is actually a lot of racism going on, if you care to admit it or not. Those Muslims are just mistaken by their believe if they appease you guys, then you will respect their religion more....

Everybody has an opinion... but those people are idiots for thinking theirs is more important and should take precedent above the rights of others..
 
Some are you a making this a huge issue, and even if they comprised with you they would just a "tin bit" of respect.

look in a mirror and say that
 
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why does (sic) anybody's feelings matter?

because mr rauf's stated purpose is to improve relations, silly
 
Re: Mosque in new york to possibly move!

I am confused as to why stripper joints are good.. .. ..house of worship is bad. This is such nonsense. It was a convenient wedge issue that wasn't an issue in the beginning until some blogger started this BS.


True enough that in 2009 before all was known about the Mosque, and the Imam behind it, there wasn't sufficient evidence to show anything out of the ordinary in this, and many considered it would be taken care of locally. After all, a Mosque so close, and so offensive to those that lost loved ones couldn't really be promoted forward by a so called "Moderate" Imam that want's to promote peace, and understanding could it?

Answer: Yes, and a total turning of his back on the moral question of whether in the interest of what he says his Mosque represents would be moved. In his silent jihad he is resisting that move which would further what he says he want's to do, and bring good will his way. So why not just move it?

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began

Oh ye of little faith. Little faith in the bible. Little faith in this country's constitution. Scared of the boggey.man.

You really want to quote Salon in your argument? They are among the most intolerant of leftist rags out there...So Mr. "Centrist", Mr. "Moderate" tell me, how in the heck does this now promote any other feeling in this country other than a Mosque of Conquest, like its name sake Cordoba...And who do you think is going to actually build it? It is one thing to say what you do, quite another to see it built in a Union trade town who's workers vow not to build it.

The concern is warranted.....

An undercover survey of more than 100 mosques and Islamic schools in America has exposed widespread radicalism, including the alarming finding that 3 in 4 Islamic centers are hotbeds of anti-Western extremism, WND has learned.

The Mapping Sharia in America Project, sponsored by the Washington-based Center for Security Policy, has trained former counterintelligence and counterterrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military, who are skilled in Arabic and Urdu, to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the country.

"So far of 100 mapped, 75 should be on a watchlist," an official familiar with the project said.

Study: 3 in 4 U.S. mosques preach anti-West extremism


j-mac
 
look in a mirror and say that

I think you're headed down the same path on this thread...

"look in the mirror".. I have

I don't feel I am disrespecting anybodies constitutional rights and asking them to refrain from practicing them, because of ME. Freedom of speech isn't easy to support sometimes.. but I am doing it.

I think you have the right to protest, but at the end of the day... you really have to realise it is their rights and their property. You wouldn't like the shoe being on the other foot.

Demanding them to move the mosque is as insane as them demanding you stop protesting..

Look guys, we respect your rights to protest but out of respect for us and our supporters, and doing what is right... we ask that you please refrain. Protesting is provocation and unnecessary, and you are stoking violence and leading mosque burnings across USA.

OMG stop protesting now! You disgusting protests.. just stfu already
 
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look, guys, we are here to improve relations with you

and if you don't like it, just shut the blank up, already

LOL!
 
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because mr rauf's stated purpose is to improve relations, silly

For people such as yourself and ric, the only way for Muslims to improve relations with the likes of you is for them to convert to Christianity or die. There is no satisfying you or ric with anything but that.
 
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For people such as yourself and ric, the only way for Muslims to improve relations with the likes of you is for them to convert to Christianity or die. There is no satisfying you or ric with anything but that.

nonsense, muslim americans are beautiful people, gorgeous families, lovely and loving children, i've known a hundred, students in my math classes

i have no problem with this mosque

personally, since you're so interested, i'm enjoying the show

SEVENTY ONE PERCENT OF NEW YORKERS are the folks so put out by mr rauf's project

so much so, in fact, it will never see a brick laid

worst of all worlds for our woebegone white house, once more---all the pain, no gain

party on!
 
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nonsense, muslim americans are beautiful people, gorgeous families, lovely and loving children, i've known a hundred, students in my math classes

i have no problem with this mosque

personally, since you're so interested, i'm enjoying the show

SEVENTY ONE PERCENT OF NEW YORKERS are the folks so put out by mr rauf's project

so much so, in fact, it will never see a brick laid

worst of all worlds for our woebegone white house, once more---all the pain, no gain

party on!

That was quite lovely, prof
 
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For people such as yourself and ric, the only way for Muslims to improve relations with the likes of you is for them to convert to Christianity or die. There is no satisfying you or ric with anything but that.

Ok....

You are missing a major point here, Era and I've posted it in other places, might as well do it here. (yet again)

Islam is not a religion of peace if you are not a muslim. The Koran divides the world into two parts, the Dar-el-Islam (the house of Islam) and the Dar-el-Harb(the house of war). Guess which one I am. The Koran says that all the world is to be converted to Islam, either through conversion or by killing the pagans. This is jihad, the struggle, and is one of the pillars of faith. Every good muslim is to "struggle" and advance Islam.

The peaceful muslims are the ones who aren't following the core beliefs of their religion. If I recall correctly, the last military invasion of Europe ended at the gates of Vienna around 1700. The only reason they quit is that culturally and militarily they stayed behind in the middle ages and could no longer compete with the west. Even today, you can give them modern weapons, but they can't use them effectively against western armies.

What does this mean? They've found their new form of warfare. Terrorism. Expect to see more and more of it, especially with the influx of muslim immigrants in the US and Europe.

Some day, many of you will come to the realization that there cannot be peace between the Islamic world and the rest of us. One side will win and destroy the other, or we will be in a state of continual terrorist activities.

Don't expect them to change, the root of the problem is the Koran. You can't change that and you can't change them.

Its sad, but true
 
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There are also 9/11 families who support the Mosque, and a way more Muslims who support the mosque.. why does anybody's feelings matter?

It doesn't make building the mosque less valid because a couple of Muslims are against it.. The fact is, it's an issue or respecting the constitutional rights of a specific group.. and I am not surprised that some in the minority want to appease the majority. Because there is actually a lot of racism going on, if you care to admit it or not. Those Muslims are just mistaken by their believe if they appease you guys, then you will respect their religion more....

Everybody has an opinion... but those people are idiots for thinking theirs is more important and should take precedent above the rights of others..

With all the Mosques in NY why are they knowingly causing this hurt and Controversy. I have seen this man on TV and I think he is a lying piece of do do
 
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Ok....

You are missing a major point here, Era and I've posted it in other places, might as well do it here. (yet again)

Islam is not a religion of peace if you are not a muslim. The Koran divides the world into two parts, the Dar-el-Islam (the house of Islam) and the Dar-el-Harb(the house of war). Guess which one I am. The Koran says that all the world is to be converted to Islam, either through conversion or by killing the pagans. This is jihad, the struggle, and is one of the pillars of faith. Every good muslim is to "struggle" and advance Islam.

Where did you study theological Qur'an interpretation? Do you even know Arabic? How many times have you read the Qur'an fully?

PS - Jihad is not one of the 5 pillars of Islam. Shahada is the profession of faith, salah is prayer (the 5 daily), zakat is charity (2.5% of annual income to the poor), sawm is fasting in Ramadan, and Hajj is the pilgrimmage to Mecca.

Where did you study Islam? What university? Osama bin Laden's militant Islam university? Because you are espousing the same ideals he does, which have already been thoroughly refuted by Islamic scholars from around the world.
 
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Where did you study theological Qur'an interpretation? Do you even know Arabic? How many times have you read the Qur'an fully?

PS - Jihad is not one of the 5 pillars of Islam. Shahada is the profession of faith, salah is prayer (the 5 daily), zakat is charity (2.5% of annual income to the poor), sawm is fasting in Ramadan, and Hajj is the pilgrimmage to Mecca.

Where did you study Islam? What university? Osama bin Laden's militant Islam university? Because you are espousing the same ideals he does, which have already been thoroughly refuted by Islamic scholars from around the world.
Isnt it amazing? The right reads a few bits from JihadWatch and suddenly they're all experts on the Koran. LOL
 
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