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    Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    WASHINGTON (AFP) Israel has "eight days" to launch a military strike against Iran's Bushehr nuclear facility and stop Tehran from acquiring a functioning atomic plant, a former US envoy to the UN has said.


    Iran is to bring online its first nuclear power reactor, built with Russia's help, on August 21, when a shipment of nuclear fuel will be loaded into the plant's core.
    You know, there is some pretty ironic history behind this plant. It was begun in the 1970's by the Shah of Iran, with the blessing of the western world. After the downfall of the Shah, Ayatollah Khomeini issued an edict that no nuclear plants were to be built, so it sat idle until after Khomeini died. In 1995, work was resumed on the plant, with the help of Russia.

    I am torn on this issue, but I believe that nuclear power is the right of all nations. The problem with nuclear power, though, is the waste, which can be turned into material for a nuclear weapon. Once this power plant goes online, Iran can have a nuclear weapon in approximately 6 years, if it wants one.

    It is too late now to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, as that will spread radiation, not only among the civilian population of Iran, but also beyond it's borders. Like it or not, the genie is now out of the bottle, and we must deal with it. Pressure must be kept up on Iran, and the strategy changed from stopping them from acquiring nuclear technology to forcing them to give up its nuclear waste, offering them compensation for it.

    I believe that the window for stopping Iran from having nuclear power has been closed, and we will, as the old Chinese proverb says, be living in interesting times. We must now adapt our strategy to account for this development. And make no mistake - We must let Iran know that ANY use of weapons of mass destruction will result in the complete annihilation of their nation.

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    It is sad, but I dont think Israel is going to arklight the Iranian nuclear site into the ground.

    The liberals within Israel have been able to render the nation impotent from threats within and without and, with Netanyahu attempting to curry favor with an American President (who borders on the anti-Semitic) I would find it hard for Israel to strike out unilaterally. Anti-Semitism is at an all time high in the world: especially in America where it is now de riguer to use the word "Zionist" when referring to Jews or the Jewish state. Leftists at universities, blogs, Huffington Post, Daily Kos and other sites use the word interchangeably as a pejorative and seek, eventually, the fall of the Jewish state. And with Obama's pro-Palestinian, pro-Arab stance, Israel is, as Golda Meir said years ago, "... very much alone."

    As Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem proclaimed in 1943: "We seek the ultimate destruction of every Jew in the world, first in Europe and then in the Middle East where she is attempting to build a homeland."

    That same year, Hitler raised two Muslim SS Divisions in Jugoslavia that served alongside the Gebirgscorps fighting Tito's partisans. The Muslim Nazi's led a swath of rape, murder, pillage and destruction so wide, so vast and so vile through the deep hills of the wartorn countries that by 1945, the Nazi high command chose to disband the Muslim killers when word of their deeds had gotten out. One Muslim SS soldier stated: "our hope was to fight our way to Palestine and then kill every Jew there."

    This attitude: anti-Semitism, is still alive and well in the Middle East and in America, where left-wing students now march side by side (stosstruppen style) with anti-Semitic Muslim Student organizations burning Israeli flags, some carrying the dark, red and black blutfahne of the Nazi party ... mirroring men of 13.Handschar SS division whose hope was the destruction of international Jewry.

    May G-d protect Israel.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    The Russian's have made there agenda clear. That nation is run by snakes.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by GayLibertarian View Post
    It is sad, but I dont think Israel is going to arklight the Iranian nuclear site into the ground.

    The liberals within Israel have been able to render the nation impotent from threats within and without and, with Netanyahu attempting to curry favor with an American President (who borders on the anti-Semitic) I would find it hard for Israel to strike out unilaterally. Anti-Semitism is at an all time high in the world: especially in America where it is now de riguer to use the word "Zionist" when referring to Jews or the Jewish state. Leftists at universities, blogs, Huffington Post, Daily Kos and other sites use the word interchangeably as a pejorative and seek, eventually, the fall of the Jewish state. And with Obama's pro-Palestinian, pro-Arab stance, Israel is, as Golda Meir said years ago, "... very much alone."

    May G-d protect Israel.


    It's a conspiracy!!!


    In all seriousness though I must agree with Dan, they probably already have them. Which begs the question why we went into Iraq when they weren't even close to getting them, but we've left North Korea and Iran to their own devices.

    Besides, bombing doesn't garuntee the destruction of a nuclear warhead or technology. You'd have to invade, which I'm afraid to say, would be one of the most disastrous occupations/invasions in history.

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by GayLibertarian View Post
    It is sad, but I dont think Israel is going to arklight the Iranian nuclear site into the ground.

    The liberals within Israel have been able to render the nation impotent from threats within and without and, with Netanyahu attempting to curry favor with an American President (who borders on the anti-Semitic) I would find it hard for Israel to strike out unilaterally. Anti-Semitism is at an all time high in the world: especially in America where it is now de riguer to use the word "Zionist" when referring to Jews or the Jewish state. Leftists at universities, blogs, Huffington Post, Daily Kos and other sites use the word interchangeably as a pejorative and seek, eventually, the fall of the Jewish state. And with Obama's pro-Palestinian, pro-Arab stance, Israel is, as Golda Meir said years ago, "... very much alone."

    As Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem proclaimed in 1943: "We seek the ultimate destruction of every Jew in the world, first in Europe and then in the Middle East where she is attempting to build a homeland."

    That same year, Hitler raised two Muslim SS Divisions in Jugoslavia that served alongside the Gebirgscorps fighting Tito's partisans. The Muslim Nazi's led a swath of rape, murder, pillage and destruction so wide, so vast and so vile through the deep hills of the wartorn countries that by 1945, the Nazi high command chose to disband the Muslim killers when word of their deeds had gotten out. One Muslim SS soldier stated: "our hope was to fight our way to Palestine and then kill every Jew there."

    This attitude: anti-Semitism, is still alive and well in the Middle East and in America, where left-wing students now march side by side (stosstruppen style) with anti-Semitic Muslim Student organizations burning Israeli flags, some carrying the dark, red and black blutfahne of the Nazi party ... mirroring men of 13.Handschar SS division whose hope was the destruction of international Jewry.

    May G-d protect Israel.
    I don't know what you have been smoking, but most Jews in the United States, especially in the Northeast, happen to be Liberal.

    This is nothing about Liberal or Conservative, and who is the best friend of Israel. It is about the situation in Iran, and what we are going to do about it. Attempting to poison the atmosphere for political purposes does not help.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    My stated opinion about Iran was made objectively clear for you but you have chosen to ignore it.

    Iran is emboldened by left-wing anti-Semitism in America and Israel in same fashion North Vietnamese Communists were emboldened by pro-Marxist student demonstrators during the Vietnam War (1955-75). Unfortunately, after the Fall of Saigon in 1975 (when left-wing, pro-Communist students went back to their university classrooms), the Communist victors in Vietnam exterminated 3,500,000 South Vietnamese, Catholics, Christians, and cultural minorities - primarily the Montagnard tribes who had supported the French, South Viets and the U.S. Most were simply executed with a bullet to the back of the head and then dumped in mass graves --- which are still extant across today's Vietnam. Later extermination and re-education camps were built where the killing continued. The liberal students who had demonstrated against the war: *silence*.

    Iran has threatened to exterminate Israel in the same manner that the North Vietnamese Communists exterminated the South. Israel's only choice: an *arklight* strike on Iran. But such a strike will only have success unless you can also hit the leadership, communications and religious (terrorist) centers of the Iranian state and hobble it for at least 20 years. Iran has drawn many plans from the Vietnam War. Anti-Semitism, at an all time high in America is leading to a resurgent, terror-sponsoring Iran ... and we have done nothing to stop the stosstruppen in Tehran from building a nuclear device. Absolutely nothing.

    My point is that Iran's emboldened stature is made worse by an anti-Semitic State Department and pro-pan-Arab President who remains *silent* while Iran threatens nuclear holocaust on the Jewish state. Our pan-Arab President has chosen instead ... to back an anti-Semitic, homophobic "Mosque" at Ground Zero.

    Now thats diplomacy Ribbentrop would have been proud of.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    I don't agree with Mr. Bolton's dire assessment for two reasons:

    1) Russia plans to take precautions that will limit the risk of Iran's using the fuel to pursue illicit nuclear activities. Haaretz reported, "But Western fears that the Bushehr project could help Iran develop a nuclear weapon were lessened when Moscow reached an agreement with Tehran obliging it to return spent fuel to Russia. Weapons-grade plutonium can be derived from spent fuel rods." Russia would know whether the rods have been returned or otherwise tampered with and would be in a position to cease any additional fuel shipments.

    2) If Israel believes it is confronted with an existential threat, it can and would act to try to neutralize that threat and it would not be constrained by artificial timelines.

    My guess is that the critical threshold for a strike-no strike decision probably lies a year or two in the future. At the same time, alternative methods will need to be examined given the risks and impact of possible military action, so military action is not assured.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    ohhh wow.... that sounds like something that would not go off to well in the end..

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I don't agree with Mr. Bolton's dire assessment for two reasons:

    1) Russia plans to take precautions that will limit the risk of Iran's using the fuel to pursue illicit nuclear activities. Haaretz reported, "But Western fears that the Bushehr project could help Iran develop a nuclear weapon were lessened when Moscow reached an agreement with Tehran obliging it to return spent fuel to Russia. Weapons-grade plutonium can be derived from spent fuel rods. [/i] Russia would know whether the rods have been returned or otherwise tampered with and would be in a position to cease any additional fuel shipments.
    Assuming 200 fuel rods in a typical reactor, and roughly ~50 needed to produce sufficient quantities of fuel for a weapon, doesn't that give them more than enough opportunity to secure the needed material prior to Russia "ceasing additional shipments"?

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Assuming 200 fuel rods in a typical reactor, and roughly ~50 needed to produce sufficient quantities of fuel for a weapon, doesn't that give them more than enough opportunity to secure the needed material prior to Russia "ceasing additional shipments"?
    The U.S has also acknowledged that the planned fuel supply mechanism does not pose a proliferation risk. From the Associated Press:

    The terms of the deal commit the Iranians to allow the Russians to retrieve all used reactor fuel for reprocessing. Spent fuel contains plutonium, which can be used to make atomic weapons. Additionally, Iran has said that International Atomic Energy Agency experts will be able to verify that none of the fresh fuel or waste is diverted...

    In Washington, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Bushehr "does not represent a proliferation risk. ... However, Bushehr underscores that Iran does not need its own indigenous enrichment capability. The fact that Russia is providing fuel is the very model the international community has offered Iran."


    In any case, I suspect that Mr. Bolton may be largely on his own in citing August 21 as the deadline by which Israel or some other country must attack Iran's nuclear facilities. My guess is that both the U.S. and Israel believe additional time is available before a military option becomes non-viable. Hence, the additional time can be used for a combination of diplomacy, planning a viable military strategy, assessing various alternatives to military action (deterrence, containment, some combination, among others), etc.

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