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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

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    I would have thought Pakistan is a far greater risk - just as well Iran and those Al Qaeda types don't get on.
    Tolerance at all costs, eh? My how foolish..


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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

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    The problem is that Ahmadinejad actually never said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map
    Does Iran's President Want Israel Wiped Of The Map - Does He Deny Te Holocaust?
    I didn't say he said that. I know about the correction. Informed people generally stay informed, however, the sentiment of the Iranian leader is to remove Israel, and all who support her from the Earth, pages of time, burn in a fire of the Islamist nations fury, etc.. etc.. I get that he doesn't like the Jews, or the USA very much. I don't in any way find those comments to be terms of endearment, do you?


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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

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    Tolerance at all costs, eh? My how foolish..
    I don't understand what you are saying here? It does not fit in with what I meant when I wrote what you were replying to. Please explain?
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I don't understand what you are saying here? It does not fit in with what I meant when I wrote what you were replying to. Please explain?
    Were you not suggesting that Iran should get NUKES because we let other less than stellar nations have them? Meaning we should tolerate Iran simply because we tolerate other nations having NUKES? Is this what you meant?

    If not, what did YOU mean?

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I didn't say he said that. I know about the correction. Informed people generally stay informed, however, the sentiment of the Iranian leader is to remove Israel, and all who support her from the Earth, pages of time, burn in a fire of the Islamist nations fury, etc.. etc.. I get that he doesn't like the Jews, or the USA very much. I don't in any way find those comments to be terms of endearment, do you?


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    Of course he doesn't seem to be a great ally, but is that a reason to bomb him? What about Pakistan, why don't we bomb them, since they support the Talibans, and since they already have nukes?

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Were you not suggesting that Iran should get NUKES because we let other less than stellar nations have them? Meaning we should tolerate Iran simply because we tolerate other nations having NUKES? Is this what you meant?

    If not, what did YOU mean?

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    I meant that I do believe that Pakistan is a potential threat. It is more or less a failed state with Taliban/Al Qaeda waiting in the wings.

    The rest was really a joke concerning a topic in the ME section where people were wrongly suggesting Iran was in cahoots with Al Qaeda - maybe a bit of a black joke. I put it in later and could only get the delete function instead of the go advanced, so put in a smile when I would have preferred a wink.

    so acknowledging that Al Qaeda and Iran are not friends and that Pakistan is on the brink of a failed state with Taliban/Al Qaeda in waiting, it is just as well they are not friends, because if they were friends, not impossible to imagine a Taliban/Al Qaeda nuclear Pakistan joining in, in defence of Iran, if Iran is attacked.

    Now don't tell me how all this is not feasible because as I said, it is a black joke.

    (Take care, there is often some truth in jokes.)
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The objective is to foster agreement under which Iran would not pursue nuclear weapons. An agreement that would allow Iran a civil nuclear program, provide rigorous verification to address international concerns, and possibly ensure no military aid to factions within Iran or military operations for "regime change" is realistic.
    Then my first question would be.. why? Why should Iran be treated any differently than other nations? Iran has not attacked another nation for centuries, where as countries that are known to have nukes but deny it, have attacked countries within the last 50 years.

    Unfortunately, I don't believe this is what Iran is seeking. President Ahmadinejad's rhetoric suggests that the nuclear activities may be more than just about a right to civil energy (easily able to be accommodated) or safeguarding the regime from outside military intervention (again, something that can be accommodated).
    No nation would seek such a deal for god sake.

    Hence, certain IAEA requests to address persistent concerns have gone unaddressed. Given those dynamics, a significant degree of pressure will likely be required if Iran is to conclude that a diplomatic agreement along the lines of what I described about is acceptable.
    It is a voluntary agreement with the IAEA.. Iran can and do say no. If the IAEA came to the US and said give us access to your nukes.. the US would say no.

    Ultimately, failure to achieve a diplomatic resolution will open the door to alternative approaches.
    I agree, but as long as ALL diplomatic areas are not covered, then the west is playing right into the hands of the fanatics on both sides that want a war.

    Nations whose critica or vital interests (i.e., U.S./Western access to oil, Israel's existence, etc.) are threatened will ultimately try to do what it takes to safeguard those interests through a wide variety of possible measures i.e., containment, deterrence, a nuclear weapons program, covert operations, military deployment, even military operations. While a military operation is not assured, it cannot entirely be ruled out either because a country believes that its existence is threatened, Iran makes military moves to try to break out of a containment regime, some miscalculation occurs, or some other scenario precipitates conflict.
    Yes, and Israel's nukes, treatment of the Palestinians, the disputed areas in Lebanon, the whole Palestinian question and so on. Problem is the west has conditions, just as Iran has....

    I have always said, deal with the Israeli-Palestinian issue and that way declaw Iran big time. Fixing the Israeli-Palestine issue would solve a lot of problems or at least start to solve a lot of problems in the Middle East. As it stands now, it is a lighting rod, and excuse for radicals on both sides.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I could very easily be wrong, but I don't think that a bombing run at this current stage would spread radiation at all.
    Even after the plant is fueled it wouldn't spread much..... 4 or 5 years after would be a different story.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    It's not relevant, Israel does not want other nations to get nuclear weapons while it possesses some of them.

    Nuclear weapons are a threat to everyone, not only to Israel.
    The difference is Israel has hundreds of powerful lobbyists in DC and Iran none.

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