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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I was referring to the reactor, which is what they would have to take out to prevent it from going online...

    You really think there is only one nuclear reactor?

    Maybe I give the Iranians more credit than due but with all the time they've had i can't believe they would allow a big bullseye to be put on their nuclear sites. You do recall they admitted to other secret sites in the past right?

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Iran has threatened to exterminate Israel in the same manner that the North Vietnamese Communists exterminated the South. >>

    It was no direct threat, only a political barb to reinforce the Iran leader's base.

    But that doesn't stop you wantabe Neocom hawks from rabble rousing the gullible. Fortunately even the die hard gullible finally see through it.

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    You really think there is only one nuclear reactor?
    I think that we have knowledge of all the nuclear reactors that are in the process of being constructed, yes. A nuclear reactor isn't something that you can hide.

    You could argue that there are other "nuclear sites" but this is the only nuclear reactor that is scheduled to go online on the 21st.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Without jumping through hoops to go into specific details you apparently arenít aware of or most probably are deliberately ignoring, you can sincerely doubt the obvious all you want, but donít believe everyone else is going to dismiss the obvious like you. Not to mention that this isnít remotely like the Saddam situation.
    It's not REMOTELY like the situation with Saddam, except the ONLY difference in the rhetoric being used to "justify" the need for war with Iran is the switch from the Q in Iraq to the N in Iran. Remember, Yellow cake, that they KNEW where the WMD's were, etc, etc... anyway..

    So get over yourself. For one thing, both the Bush and Obama administrations have allowed Iran to kill American soldiers with impunity in both Iraq and Afghanistan, which alone is more than enough justification for war, and after Iran gets nukes the USA will pay a very severe price for letting those travesties go without very severe repercussions.
    Ok... fine then, Iranians are killing americans in Iraq, then let's have a vote in the house and senate and sign an official declaration of war, the proof and have this be a LEGALLY justified war (yes, I know, we don't believe in 'just war theory' as a nation anymore, I'm just saying).

    You also fail to notice that we have placed sanctions on Iran, which on its own is an act of war, luckily, the Iranians have the sense to know not to retaliate.

    Moreover the lack of refining capacity and the reason they let their oil infrastructure fall into such a state of disrepair is because of mismanagement and also because they used the bulk of their oil revenues to pursue nuclear weapons and to finance and fund jihad per their Khomeiniest revolution. Nevertheless, the ruling Mullahs are acutely aware of their weaknesses and are taking steps to rectify them, as six refineries are currently under construction and they also just concluded a deal with Brazil to purchase ethanol to blend with their gasoline. Also, Russia just agreed to sell them gasoline as well. In addition, they have converted a significant portion of their military vehicles to operate on natural gas.
    So, is this as definitive and verifiable as the 'yellow cake' justification for Iraq??

    As for the Russians, the fact that they have now agreed to supply the uranium to the Iranian nuclear facility, is somewhat of a slap in the face to the US given the wording Obama chose to use to define the sanctions against Iran...

    Now, what would you expect the Iranians to do when the US (and israel) are bloodlusting against them?? They know what's coming... Hell, remember how Bush era diplomacy with Iraq ?? "Do what we say and we'll bomb you anyway" would serve as an adequate paraphrasing.

    Indeed, we should have ousted the ruling Mullahs years ago, as they have been using first feckless European diplomacy and now feckless Obama administration diplomacy to buy valuable time to not only continue developing nuclear weapons and long range missiles, but also to harden their underground facilities and to build up their defenses. Which is a travesty because any war in the future thanks to our previous and current leaderís incompetence, ineptness, and fecklessness will be exponentially far bloodier and destructive than it had to be.
    It's more like they've come to realize that they don't NEED to act as puppets and have removed the strings to allow them to act independently... You're probably going off Fox / CNN propaganda on this issue which continuously fails to note how all these Uranium enrichment deals have been for low-refined uranium that would then be disposed of by the country that supplied it, thus ensuring that no weapons could be manufactured. That said, I have no doubts that Iran would be interested in nuclear weapons, given that the country is all but surrounded by nuclear powers.

    Indeed, when diplomacy with terrorists, which in itself is literally insane, ran its course, instead of ousting the terrorists, we started another new round of diplomacy with the same terrorists, buying them more and more valuable time and it just doesnít get any more insane, inept, and incompetent than that, all the while that Iran was able to kill American soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan, pursue nuclear weapons and long range missiles, pursue an illegal war of aggression against the Israelis via its proxies, and violate UNSCR 1701 all with impunity.
    Just to point out the double standard, it's been MANY YEARS since the US has engaged in a legal war according to the constitutional process. Without getting into the details of the countless human rights atrocities the US has been responsible for causing... not to say that Iran is good, but more to point out the hypocrisy... also to point out that the blanket label of Iranians as terrorists as ironic.

    And what is the Obama administration doing today to stop the Iranians? Nothing!
    Yes... but, beyond diplomatic negotiations, what right does Obama have (or any president have) to interfere with the internal politics of a foreign country??? (also nothing)

    They are trying to coerce Israel into committing national suicide via negotiations with an unelected official from the PA that has zero authority and is only still in business because it is being protected by the IDF, all the while Hamas in Gaza and Hezbollah on Israelís southern flank are dedicated to the complete annihilation of Israel regardless of any so-called fake peace agreement that could be reached,
    This paragraph is a compilation of propaganda half-truths... I'll just leave it at that to save space.

    and then the Obama administration wonders why a growing number of American people believes that Obama is a Muslim.
    Again, look to the sources not the spin.

    Not to mention that the start up of Bushehr to coincide with US troop withdrawal from Iraq
    Again, this 'withdrawal' is NOT a withdrawal... look at the source not the spin... simply, any soldiers that are leaving are being replaced by private contractors (re: mercenaries)

    and the coercion of Israel to negotiate with the PA obviously have all been very carefully timed and coordinated by the Obama administration.
    "In politics nothing happens by accident" - Roosevelt

    Now with respect to the remainder of what you wrote, sorry, it is little more than useless and absurd garbage.
    You're fine to have your opinion that it's useless... but the stark reality is that the american empire cannot AFFORD another war. Not without creating an american version of the Weimar republic.

    I would heartily urge you to not accept what gets spouted on FOX and / or CNN as the reality of the situation... get closer to source information when you can and see just how different what's being pushed in the media is from reality... especially on the Iran issue. The fact is that Iran has made SEVERAL attempts to make deals that would in no uncertain terms GUARANTEE that it would remain impossible for them to create a nuclear weapon, and with Bush-style diplomacy, Obama has said 'no' on every option...

    It'd be funny if a war with Iran weren't so serious an issue.

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

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    And apparently the only form of anti-Semitism is the extermination of every single Jew.
    My theory is that the placement of the bar for what any person considers antisemitic reflects the point at which they can consider themselves as barely escaping the definition of the term.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    UhÖI donít know common sense? Actually if they had common sense they would drop the command economy routine and go to a more Laissez faire kind of economic model.
    LOL. Iran does not have a command economy any more then we do. It's hilarious how you just argued that Iran's economy is state planned like the USSR was.

    then the Dhimma contract could arbitrarily be revoked and those Jews slaughtered. Itís happened countless times in the past.
    You actually believe this to be a real happenstance in today's world? Or is this just anti-Islam ideology?

    Who has been accusing them of being stupid? Islam isnít a recipe for stupidness or a suicide pact.
    You are.

    Not quite. My views unlike yours are based on intense study of Islam and Muslims. In addition, I really could care less what they say, since most of what they say publicly is intended to deceive. Which is why I watch what they do.
    And what they do does not support your positions.

    The only one Iíve seen so for accusing them of being insane is you.
    One must wonder if you can read. Especially after I challenged your views that they were insane.

    Moreover, while they employ Western principles and Western weapons, they are still Muslims. Thus, when they fight jihad they will emulate Muhammad, meaning anything goes and nothing is off the table. However, Iranís modus operandi is to try to maintain plausible deniability whenever possible through the use of proxies.
    So your argument is whenever they actually show they aren't insane, they are really actually hiding their insanity. Apparently using proxies as the US did during the Cold War is actually a sign of insanity.

    Got it. You define insanity as you like independent of actual actions.
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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You know, there is some pretty ironic history behind this plant. It was begun in the 1970's by the Shah of Iran, with the blessing of the western world. After the downfall of the Shah, Ayatollah Khomeini issued an edict that no nuclear plants were to be built, so it sat idle until after Khomeini died. In 1995, work was resumed on the plant, with the help of Russia.

    I am torn on this issue, but I believe that nuclear power is the right of all nations. The problem with nuclear power, though, is the waste, which can be turned into material for a nuclear weapon. Once this power plant goes online, Iran can have a nuclear weapon in approximately 6 years, if it wants one.

    It is too late now to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, as that will spread radiation, not only among the civilian population of Iran, but also beyond it's borders. Like it or not, the genie is now out of the bottle, and we must deal with it. Pressure must be kept up on Iran, and the strategy changed from stopping them from acquiring nuclear technology to forcing them to give up its nuclear waste, offering them compensation for it.

    I believe that the window for stopping Iran from having nuclear power has been closed, and we will, as the old Chinese proverb says, be living in interesting times. We must now adapt our strategy to account for this development. And make no mistake - We must let Iran know that ANY use of weapons of mass destruction will result in the complete annihilation of their nation.

    Article is here.
    While I agree that we need to keep quite the close eye on Iran in the future, don't you think it's a bit... Unilateral and blinded, perhaps, to say that complete annihilation is in the cards?

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    Re: Israel has '8 days' to hit Iran nuclear site: Bolton

    Last month, former U.S. Ambassador to the UN John Bolton claimed that Israel had just days to strike Iran to avoid its becoming a nuclear state. During the debate/discussion that followed, there was question whether Mr. Bolton was alone in his assessment about an August 21 "deadline." In other words, there was question whether either the U.S. or Israel saw things the same way he did. Neither did. As a result, neither country carried out military strikes.

    Now, there is an article that suggests that Israel still sees a potential nuclear threat being 1 1/2 to 2 years away. The Jerusalem Post reported:

    Defense Minister Ehud Barak said that "Iran could reach nuclear capabilities within a year and half or two years if they decide to break all the rules, but it might take a little longer," during an interview with FOX News on Monday.

    In sum, Israel believes that there remains time to resolve the issue before any decision on military strikes needs to be made.

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